The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[First Lady]

Animal & Bylaw Services has conducted an investigation into the incident.

The owner of the three off-leash dogs faces:

One count of biting, barking or chasing another animal
Two counts of dog at large
Two counts of having unlicensed dogs

The owner of the pit bulls faces:

One count of causing death to an animal
One count of causing damage to an animal
One count of biting, barking or chasing another animal
Three counts of having unlicensed dogs

The fine for having unlicensed dogs is $250. All other charges require a court appearance.

The pit bulls have been returned to their owner after a behavioural assessment determined the dogs posed no threat to public safety. The owner has agreed to several temporary conditions including walking only two of the dogs at any given time and contacting Animal & Bylaw immediately if any of the dogs escape from their fenced yard.

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[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I know it's over the top from your perspective, but it's my opinion. Can you at least throw me a bone and say "yeah, piss and crap are kind of gross." I mean, they are. Why am I a freak for not wanting them where I play with my kids?

You really need to step back and look at what you are writing, it's your opinion but you sound like a crazy person.

If you are so afraid of your kids being around anything that might be dirty, the last place you want to take them is to a park or out in public anywhere. If it's that frightening and makes you that crazy you should probably set up shop in your basement and never leave. There are certainly worse things out there than a little dog pee in the grass.

It seems to me, with your fear of dogs, you are trying to find any and every reason to justify restricting them in any way possible. Maybe try working to get over that fear first and foremost.

In one your previous posts you stated EVERY owner is irresponsible. Try not to be such an extremist, it's such a narrow way to look at things.

Besides Calgary bylaw services disagrees with you. From the article First Lady referenced:

“Over 90 per cent of Calgary dog owners have licensed their pets and the vast majority are responsible and accountable. We’re very confident that our approach under the Responsible Pet Ownership Bylaw is working.”

I don't want your kids germ infested hands touching things in public that I may touch. So keep them from touching any surface I may come into contact with. They are a danger to my health.
(Do I sound like a crazy person?)

[AFireInside]

The big problem is like any other topic, the media loves putting stories of pitbulls, and large dogs attacking front and centre. I certainly don't remember any stories in the paper when my mom was attacked by an American Eskimo and had her calf punctured numerous times requiring some stitches (this was about 20 years ago, so I can't remember the details well, and yes I get that a bigger dog can do more damage).

With that said, just to add some good to this thread, here are links to pitbulls saving people, kids and animals. Obviously some have good, responsible owners.

This one is incredible, and I've been unable find anything anywhere stating it's a fake. ( I just checked google quickly).

Weela

Eleven-year-old Gary Watkins was chasing lizards when family pit bull, Weela, plowed into him with a body slam that sent him flying. Gary’s mother, Lori, saw the whole incident and remembers being surprised at first because Weela always played kindly with children. But her surprise quickly turned to horror when she saw a rattlesnake sink its fangs into Weela’s face. Weela had sensed the snake’s presence from across the yard and rushed to push Gary out of striking range. Weela recovered from her snake bite and went to save 30 people, 29 dogs, 13 horses and a cat when heavy rains caused a damn to break on the Tijuana River. Weela pulled more than 40 pounds of food across the water to feed animals and people that were stranded on an island for a month. For her heroism, Weela was named Ken-L Ration’s Dog Hero of the Year in 1993.

More below.

http://bslnews.org/pit-bull-heroes-hall-of-fame/

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Art...oicPitties.htm

http://stubbydog.org/2011/11/pit-bull-heroes/

[Minnie]

PSA/heads up for Sliver and other not so fond of dog people in the Calgary area:

Tourism Canmore Kananaskis and Snowy Owl Sled Dog Tours are going to be at CrossIron Mills tomorrow (Jan 12/13) from 10 am to 9pm, so you might want to avoid the germ plagued joint and the vicious animals.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

“Over 90 per cent of Calgary dog owners have licensed their pets and the vast majority are responsible and accountable. We’re very confident that our approach under the Responsible Pet Ownership Bylaw is working.”

I have always wondered how they come to stats like this. The people who don't license their dogs admit it? I don't think so.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

You really need to step back and look at what you are writing, it's your opinion but you sound like a crazy person.

If you are so afraid of your kids being around anything that might be dirty, the last place you want to take them is to a park or out in public anywhere. If it's that frightening and makes you that crazy you should probably set up shop in your basement and never leave. There are certainly worse things out there than a little dog pee in the grass.

It seems to me, with your fear of dogs, you are trying to find any and every reason to justify restricting them in any way possible. Maybe try working to get over that fear first and foremost.

In one your previous posts you stated EVERY owner is irresponsible. Try not to be such an extremist, it's such a narrow way to look at things.

Besides Calgary bylaw services disagrees with you. From the article First Lady referenced:

“Over 90 per cent of Calgary dog owners have licensed their pets and the vast majority are responsible and accountable. We’re very confident that our approach under the Responsible Pet Ownership Bylaw is working.”

I don't want your kids germ infested hands touching things in public that I may touch. So keep them from touching any surface I may come into contact with. They are a danger to my health.
(Do I sound like a crazy person?)

Just a second here; do you think this whole dog thing runs my life? Hardly. I'm also not afraid of dogs unless they're pit bulls or Rottweilers, particularly when they're in groups. That's for a couple reasons... I don't trust the types of people who are attracted to those breeds to train or restrain them properly and I know I wouldn't be able to defend myself if they attacked me.

As for all other dogs, I'm not scared of them at all - I just don't like them.

You guys get so agro when I articulate why I don't like dogs, but the reality is I'm just putting into words why anybody who doesn't like dogs doesn't like them. The Internet is a safe place to do this because if you were personal friends I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings or create friction between us by saying these things but I hope you pause and consider some of your friends who you suspect don't like dogs. Try to keep your dog away from them if you can as they probably won't say anything as it is socially unacceptable to (see this thread for dozens of examples).

Also, I'm surprised that none of you can empathize at all with the position that walking an animal around that treats everywhere and anywhere as a toilet is gross. I understand that you are fine with that; why can't you understand that I'm not?

The fact that not one of you will concede that I've raised a single good point anywhere in this thread tells me you are more extreme/obtuse/unwavering/inflexible/closed to debate than I am.

As for your quote - it's not evidence of anything other than the writer is probably a dog person and spun the copy that way. It's not like it's based on any empirical evidence that "the vast majority are responsible and accountable."

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Just a second here; do you think this whole dog thing runs my life? Hardly. I'm also not afraid of dogs unless they're pit bulls or Rottweilers, particularly when they're in groups. That's for a couple reasons... I don't trust the types of people who are attracted to those breeds to train or restrain them properly and I know I wouldn't be able to defend myself if they attacked me.

As for all other dogs, I'm not scared of them at all - I just don't like them.

You guys get so agro when I articulate why I don't like dogs, but the reality is I'm just putting into words why anybody who doesn't like dogs doesn't like them. The Internet is a safe place to do this because if you were personal friends I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings or create friction between us by saying these things but I hope you pause and consider some of your friends who you suspect don't like dogs. Try to keep your dog away from them if you can as they probably won't say anything as it is socially unacceptable to (see this thread for dozens of examples).

Also, I'm surprised that none of you can empathize at all with the position that walking an animal around that treats everywhere and anywhere as a toilet is gross. I understand that you are fine with that; why can't you understand that I'm not?

The fact that not one of you will concede that I've raised a single good point anywhere in this thread tells me you are more extreme/obtuse/unwavering/inflexible/closed to debate than I am.

As for your quote - it's not evidence of anything other than the writer is probably a dog person and spun the copy that way. It's not like it's based on any empirical evidence that "the vast majority are responsible and accountable."

If that's one of your big issues, you should hate cats way more than you dislike dogs. Way more cats sh** in other peoples yards(Your kids sandbox especially) than dogs do. Your kids have probably played with(eaten) more cat feces that dog.

Don't you own a cat? If you do it uses your house as a toilet, nevermind outside.

[Sliver]

Cats aren't even allowed to be outside. They also don't have bladders the size of a full-grown man like a large dog does, although that's beside the point anyway. The easy answer is no I'm not okay with any of your pets coming to my house and treating my yard like a trough at the Warehouse (old school reference for the mature crowd).

[MrMastodonFarm]

Make no mistake Sliver, there is cat pee, traces of cat poo and cat hair and hacked up hairballs all over your house.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Cats aren't even allowed to be outside. They also don't have bladders the size of a full-grown man like a large dog does, although that's beside the point anyway. The easy answer is no I'm not okay with any of your pets coming to my house and treating my yard like a trough at the Warehouse (old school reference for the mature crowd).

So, your cats use thier litterbox, shovel it around with thier paws, then procede to walk around on your kitchen counters and table, and you're worried about dog urine outside?

[AFireInside]

I guess they made it up just like everyone in this thread saying there are more bad, irresponsible owners out there than good. Except that quote is from the Calgary bylaw who deal with these dog issues daily. It may not be 90% but I'd bet their guess is a lot better than yours or anyone else's in this thread.

Read up on toxoplasmosis and see how comfortable you are with cats around. You have cat waste around your house, that is a fact, unless you are bathing your cat each time it leaves the litter box.

(For the record I also have 2 cats, I'm trying to bash cats in any way.)

Anyways I think I'm done with this thread.

=Sliver;4004588

As for your quote - it's not evidence of anything other than the writer is probably a dog person and spun the copy that way. It's not like it's based on any empirical evidence that "the vast majority are responsible and accountable."

[Sliver]

Wtf, I don't have cats. I thought the cat thing was hypothetical.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Wtf, I don't have cats. I thought the cat thing was hypothetical.

My my my, you're a confusing fellow.

Zevo thought you had a cat, he asked you if you did.

Originally Posted by Zevo

Don't you own a cat?

You responded with this, which made it seem like the answer was yes, you do.

Originally Posted by Sliver

Cats aren't even allowed to be outside. They also don't have bladders the size of a full-grown man like a large dog does, although that's beside the point anyway. The easy answer is no I'm not okay with any of your pets coming to my house and treating my yard like a trough at the Warehouse (old school reference for the mature crowd).

If you don't own a cat and you're just randomly saying this stuff then you're wrong. Tonnes of cats are allowed outside, wtf are you talking about. How ignorant are you about cats?

When people see a stray dog running around it's usually an odd sight. A dog without an owner isn't usual. A stray cat is a lot more of a normal sight. Yes, lots of cats are indoor ones but there are lots that aren't.

Now for the record, I can't stand cats. I think cats are soulless killing machines put on this earth to punish humans for our wickedness. The day of judgement will come and cats will rise up, walk upright as one and attempt a holy war to make humans their slaves.

I also know I'm not rational in my hatred for cats, I'm not stupid into tricking myself into thinking that. Like you I have an irrational dislike towards them that skews my judgement. I'm just willing to admit it.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Wtf, I don't have cats. I thought the cat thing was hypothetical.

Originally Posted by Sliver

Well pets are a PIA so some people can't be bothered. I've had a cat three different times and each and every time I get tired of it after a few years and give it away.

Meh, maybe I'll try again at some point.

But you've had cats so obviously you don't mind feces and urine on your counter tops and kitchen table....but dog urine out there in the world is too much....riiight.

Irrational to the end.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

My my my, you're a confusing fellow.

Zevo thought you had a cat, he asked you if you did.

You responded with this, which made it seem like the answer was yes, you do.



If you don't own a cat and you're just randomly saying this stuff then you're wrong. Tonnes of cats are allowed outside, wtf are you talking about. How ignorant are you about cats?

When people see a stray dog running around it's usually an odd sight. A dog without an owner isn't usual. A stray cat is a lot more of a normal sight. Yes, lots of cats are indoor ones but there are lots that aren't.

Now for the record, I can't stand cats. I think cats are soulless killing machines put on this earth to punish humans for our wickedness. The day of judgement will come and cats will rise up, walk upright as one and attempt a holy war to make humans their slaves.

I also know I'm not rational in my hatred for cats, I'm not stupid into tricking myself into thinking that. Like you I have an irrational dislike towards them that skews my judgement. I'm just willing to admit it.

Your hackjob quotes of my posts where you strip the context are ridiculous. That giant post you made quoting me sans context on the previous page is ridiculous as well. I started replying, but it was going to take my an hour to re-establish context and what's the point? You have no interest in actually understanding my position - you just want to run around like Matlock trying to "bust" hypocricy in my posts where it doesn't exist.

In the post above you misleadingly made it look like I replied to a direct question from Zevo, when in fact I gave a thorough response to the main point of his question - which you deleted from his post thus removing the context - then later cleared up the misunderstanding when I realized you guys actually thought I had a cat.

This tit for tat game you guys are playing with me is r-tarded so I'm changing the direction of this exchange. Here are my thoughts on dogs:

1. Their barking disturbs me.
2. They are potentially dangerous.
3. I see their feces everywhere.
4. Their urine is everywhere.
5. They're dirty.
6. They smell bad.
7. Owners are generally insensitive to people that don't like dogs.

That is how I feel about dogs. I've answered contextual questions asked by you guys and others that want to drill deeper into my opinion on dogs, only to have you strip out the context later to "bust" me under the guise of unmasking...I'm not sure exactly what you think you're unmasking. I don't think you do, either.

Anyway, if you can't see that those seven points aren't made up out of thin air then there really isn't any point in continuing this conversation with you. It is a rational albeit unpopular (on CP only) opinion I have.

I'll keep looking in on this thread and will probably reply when appropriate as I like discussing this topic, and I'll certainly post more attacks in here unless somebody beats me to it, but please feel free to use the above as my final word on my opinion on dogs. I'm flexible enough to adjust the above thoughts based on context, but you guys should really make more of an effort to recognize how my view can mould somewhat to any given situation without it being hypocritical or irrational.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Zevo

But you've had cats so obviously you don't mind feces and urine on your counter tops and kitchen table....but dog urine out there in the world is too much....riiight.

Irrational to the end.

When I owned a cats I did find their feces and urine gross. I carried a squirt gun with me to shoot them with water if they ever went on the counter because that's disgusting.

Nobody likes cleaning litter because it's gross and I'd like to think most people wouldn't let their cats walk on kitchen tables or counters. That's fairly basic.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Your hackjob quotes of my posts where you strip the context are ridiculous. That giant post you made quoting me sans context on the previous page is ridiculous as well. I started replying, but it was going to take my an hour to re-establish context and what's the point? You have no interest in actually understanding my position - you just want to run around like Matlock trying to "bust" hypocricy in my posts where it doesn't exist.

I'm not shocked you won't address it, that's the type of poster you are. There is no hackjob, I strip posts of things they don't need for cleanliness. Nothing was taken out of context, that's why links were added to each quote. It took me roughly 5 minutes to make that post. Cut the Matlock and an hour to respond bullcrap.

In the post above you misleadingly made it look like I replied to a direct question from Zevo, when in fact I gave a thorough response to the main point of his question - which you deleted from his post thus removing the context - then later cleared up the misunderstanding when I realized you guys actually thought I had a cat.

Well, no I didn't. Your post was right under Zevo's, it was a logical conclusion.

This tit for tat game you guys are playing with me is r-tarded so I'm changing the direction of this exchange. Here are my thoughts on dogs:

1. Their barking disturbs me.
2. They are potentially dangerous.
3. I see their feces everywhere.
4. Their urine is everywhere.
5. They're dirty.
6. They smell bad.
7. Owners are generally insensitive to people that don't like dogs.

That is how I feel about dogs. I've answered contextual questions asked by you guys and others that want to drill deeper into my opinion on dogs, only to have you strip out the context later to "bust" me under the guise of unmasking...I'm not sure exactly what you think you're unmasking. I don't think you do, either.

Thanks for the list but we know your thoughts on dogs. Saying their "feces is everywhere" and their "barking disturbs me" is only further proof of your irrational dislike and views towards them.

Anyway, if you can't see that those seven points aren't made up out of thin air then there really isn't any point in continuing this conversation with you. It is a rational albeit unpopular (on CP only) opinion I have.

Oh let me clear this up right here, I don't think they're made up out of thin air, I think you truly believe this stuff. You've proven you're not a rational thinker on the topic. It's fine dude, it's okay to admit it.

and I'll certainly post more attacks in here unless somebody beats me to it,l.

Atleast you're being honest this time.

[FlamesAddiction]

Maybe this should go in the WGMG thread, but what's with dog owners who take the effort to pick up their dog's poo, only to throw the tied bag into the ditch or wooded areas?

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Sliver

When I owned a cats I did find their feces and urine gross. I carried a squirt gun with me to shoot them with water if they ever went on the counter because that's disgusting.

Nobody likes cleaning litter because it's gross and I'd like to think most people wouldn't let their cats walk on kitchen tables or counters. That's fairly basic.

Jesus H. Christ...that's the fracking point. Cats in your house are way more disgusting than other peoples dogs outside yet it's dogs you rail about. It doesn't matter how much you try and keep them off the table and counters, you know they are on there when you're not home or are in bed...right? Irrational.

And owners are generally insensitve to people who don't like dogs? Bullsh**. More generalizations.

They smell bad? Mine don't, some do, although not as bad as a litterbox, which you've shown you can live with without freaking out about. Hmm irrational again.

They're potentially dangerous? Like cars, roads, kitchen knives, a bottle of aspirin, bleach, a bicycle, the lawn mower, too much bacon......give me a break. Irrational again! Imagine that.

Their urine is everywhere? WTF, do you carry a special CSI black light that shows dog urine like splooge on a murderers sheets? That's what you make it sound like.

Crazy stuff.

[Sliver]

How is it irrational to be disturbed by barking?