The New American Politics thread

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by troutman

SNL Weekend Update: RNC edition

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watc...n-729190979517

"White Rio"

SNL plays 'Trumpémon Go' at the RNC

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-quick-cut...c-729247299725

Thanked for the "Jay Pharoah" bombshell. I died.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I'll correct myself: there is one thing Trump believes in: racism. Or if he doesn't, he is really good at faking it.

What has he said / done that can be categorized as racist?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Ugh I shouldn't do this but....NECRO EDIT: I should have known better. What a ####.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Ugh I shouldn't do this but....I'm gonna praise Ted Cruz just a little bit. Trump supporters favorite name call, without question, is calling anyone who doesn't support Trump a ####. Predictably juvenile, but it presents an interesting contrast between someone who does support Trump, Chris Christie, and someone who just scorched him, Cruz. Christie, for instance, is clearly a ####. He's on his knees to do whatever for Trump, he'll get his fast food or dry cleaning or whatever, because now his political future is tied to some role in a Trump presidency. So he's abandoned any principles and made himself Trump's #### in order to salvage his career. He's a lap dog now, and he didn't even get the role he really wanted, VP. What a loser.

Cruz, by not endorsing Trump, is risking his whole political future to not fall in line. And he's defended not endorsing him today by pointing out the terrible things Trump said about his dad and wife (never mind being behind the affair story with the Enquirer). Imagine endorsing someone who did that? That's a textbook #### right there. So Cruz saved himself some self-respect and pride by not endorsing the guy who trashed his family. Politics is ugly for sure, but going after families for personal reasons should always be out of bounds.

Still a dick without a doubt. But Cruz can feel proud of himself at least, unlike the rest of the losers who endorsed Trump because party trumps everything else. I don't agree with the man really at all, but I applaud him standing up for himself and not becoming a real #### like Christie.

Yup.

Ted Cruz has mostly bad principles but hey he does have principles. Took some balls for him to get up there and not endorse Trump, like all the other GOP guys who've condemned Trump in the past, only to fall in line, now. I don't like Cruz at all, except for this one bit.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Ugh I shouldn't do this but....I'm gonna praise Ted Cruz just a little bit. Trump supporters favorite name call, without question, is calling anyone who doesn't support Trump a ####. Predictably juvenile, but it presents an interesting contrast between someone who does support Trump, Chris Christie, and someone who just scorched him, Cruz. Christie, for instance, is clearly a ####. He's on his knees to do whatever for Trump, he'll get his fast food or dry cleaning or whatever, because now his political future is tied to some role in a Trump presidency. So he's abandoned any principles and made himself Trump's #### in order to salvage his career. He's a lap dog now, and he didn't even get the role he really wanted, VP. What a loser.

Cruz, by not endorsing Trump, is risking his whole political future to not fall in line. And he's defended not endorsing him today by pointing out the terrible things Trump said about his dad and wife (never mind being behind the affair story with the Enquirer). Imagine endorsing someone who did that? That's a textbook #### right there. So Cruz saved himself some self-respect and pride by not endorsing the guy who trashed his family. Politics is ugly for sure, but going after families for personal reasons should always be out of bounds.

Still a dick without a doubt. But Cruz can feel proud of himself at least, unlike the rest of the losers who endorsed Trump because party trumps everything else. I don't agree with the man really at all, but I applaud him standing up for himself and not becoming a real #### like Christie.

To be fair, that's the "the_donald" subreddit. I'm guessing most Trump supporters are calling non Trumpers ####s, or even know what it is

[RougeUnderoos]

Yeah, only Trump could make Ted Cruz look like a good guy.

One of Trump's sons is on CNN right now. On Cruz he said "nobody likes him, he doesn't have any friends".

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Zarley

What has he said / done that can be categorized as racist?

I'm actually not sure if you are serious. I could google it for you...

But he has a well documented history of disliking black people, having described them as "lazy." His Obama birtherism (which he is now hoping everyone has forgotten, since it was so unutterably stupid then and now) is not even "veiled" racism--it's plainly racist. His calls to "deport Muslims" are also in my view racist, as are his statements that Mexican immigrants are "criminals" and "rapists", and his comments about the judge hearing the Trump University trial should be offensive to any right-thinking person, not least because that just judge happens to be an American--meaning that Trump is just assuming that anyone with a Latino-sounding name must be biased against him.

The list goes on--as I said, there is always Google if you want to satisfy yourself.

One interesting but not necessarily determinative fact is that Trump's father Fred was once arrested at a KKK rally. That doesn't necessarily make Trump a racist but combined with several justice department actions against Trump's companies for discriminatory practices, it does make you scratch your head a little.

And keep in mind he did not disavow David Duke after receiving that endorsement either.

It's not an accident that he does well among uneducated white males and is not leading in any other demographic.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

14 million.

Clinton got 17 million, and turnout was generally higher in the democratic primaries. Is that also a rebellion?

Clinton is the government, it can't be a rebellion. I was shocked someone even ran against her.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Clinton is the government, it can't be a rebellion. I was shocked someone even ran against her.

Ok, but she also got more primary votes than Trump did.

[Plett25]

I don't think Trump is racist, well at least he's no more racist than your average white American senior citizen. So I guess maybe he is racist, but not notably racist. If anything, he's a pretty good barometer of a big swath of America.

He is without a doubt a narcissistic a-hole.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I'm actually not sure if you are serious. I could google it for you...

But he has a well documented history of disliking black people, having described them as "lazy." His Obama birtherism (which he is now hoping everyone has forgotten, since it was so unutterably stupid then and now) is not even "veiled" racism--it's plainly racist. His calls to "deport Muslims" are also in my view racist, as are his statements that Mexican immigrants are "criminals" and "rapists", and his comments about the judge hearing the Trump University trial should be offensive to any right-thinking person, not least because that just judge happens to be an American--meaning that Trump is just assuming that anyone with a Latino-sounding name must be biased against him.

The list goes on--as I said, there is always Google if you want to satisfy yourself.

One interesting but not necessarily determinative fact is that Trump's father Fred was once arrested at a KKK rally. That doesn't necessarily make Trump a racist but combined with several justice department actions against Trump's companies for discriminatory practices, it does make you scratch your head a little.

And keep in mind he did not disavow David Duke after receiving that endorsement either.

It's not an accident that he does well among uneducated white males and is not leading in any other demographic.

Mexico is not a race.
Islam is not a race.
He disavowed David Duke/KKK before, as early as 1991, all the way up to last month.

His comments on the judge were a smart calculations even though they were offensive: the judge would either need to side with Trump, or appear biased.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Buster

Mexico is not a race.
Islam is not a race.
He disavowed David Duke/KKK before, as early as 1991, all the way up to last month.

His comments on the judge were a smart calculations even though they were offensive: the judge would either need to side with Trump, or appear biased.

Ok, how about the words bigoted and prejudicial. Does that make it better for you? You're debating semantics here, but there is little doubt of the intent behind Trump's words.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Ok, but she also got more primary votes than Trump did.

i think we have different definitions of rebellion

17 million votes for the status quo in a 2 person race is different than 14 million votes for a political outsider in a 17 person race. Trump shouldn't have even got 1 vote.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

i think we have different definitions of rebellion

17 million votes for the status quo in a 2 person race is different than 14 million votes for a political outsider in a 17 person race. Trump shouldn't have even got 1 vote.

Well we may be quibbling over nothing--I agree that there is an element of "rebellion" in the Trump movement, I just don't agree that he himself is a genuine "outsider" or "rebel."

[Senator Clay Davis]

Hillary's social media team has been pretty effective so far. Another example.

www.trumpyourself.org

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Buster

Mexico is not a race.
Islam is not a race.
He disavowed David Duke/KKK before, as early as 1991, all the way up to last month.

His comments on the judge were a smart calculations even though they were offensive: the judge would either need to side with Trump, or appear biased.

You can use Mexican or Islamic or African as racist terms just as clearly as if you said Latino or Arab or black, it's a subtext but it's clear what it means.

[afc wimbledon]

Trump the ignorant racist.

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

[afc wimbledon]

“Laziness is a trait in blacks.”

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I'm actually not sure if you are serious. I could google it for you...

But he has a well documented history of disliking black people, having described them as "lazy." His Obama birtherism (which he is now hoping everyone has forgotten, since it was so unutterably stupid then and now) is not even "veiled" racism--it's plainly racist. His calls to "deport Muslims" are also in my view racist, as are his statements that Mexican immigrants are "criminals" and "rapists", and his comments about the judge hearing the Trump University trial should be offensive to any right-thinking person, not least because that just judge happens to be an American--meaning that Trump is just assuming that anyone with a Latino-sounding name must be biased against him.

The list goes on--as I said, there is always Google if you want to satisfy yourself.

One interesting but not necessarily determinative fact is that Trump's father Fred was once arrested at a KKK rally. That doesn't necessarily make Trump a racist but combined with several justice department actions against Trump's companies for discriminatory practices, it does make you scratch your head a little.

And keep in mind he did not disavow David Duke after receiving that endorsement either.

It's not an accident that he does well among uneducated white males and is not leading in any other demographic.

My point is that the racism criticisms are an emotional appeal to irrational thinkers. Anyone can be Mexican and anyone can be Muslim. People seem to be forgetting the definition of the word. Xenophobia and prejudice may be the words you are looking for.

Your comments are yet another example of how US politics have devolved into a battle of persuasion rather than ideas. Branding Trump as a racist is a great play by the Hilary team, but it really does nothing to further any type of intelligent debate or conversation. Scott Adams has a nice entry on this very topic that I'd encourage everyone to read.

[puffnstuff]

Dont recall where I saw it, might have been here actually, but a Trump supporter asked about the racism label and the response was along the lines of 'him disliking the same type of people I do doesnt make him a racist, because I'm not a racist'

Simple logic.