There's some truth in it, but so does leaving Siberia in Russian hands. As much, as we are cheering for Ukraine to sweep away Russians, they have to stop at some point.
In the meantime Putin is looking poised to declare a mass conscription. Seems like the new plan is to throw masses of untrained recruits into the grinder. I guess it's better than nuking Kyiv. This mass conscription may or may not result in riots.
October is right around the corner. The timing is poetic.
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I agree with you it is the route that likely leads to less death, but it was Ukraine's territory and Russia invaded and took it. Its up to them what they want to do about it. Just because Russia made a deal they regret - doesn't mean they can just take it back.
Russia never made a deal. A Ukrainian head of USSR just gifted Crimea to Ukraine in a sign of "unbreakable friendship and brotherhood between Russian and Ukrainian peoples". Russia could not just take it back though. Those premises are not mutually exclusive. They illegally took back what was rightfully theirs. Punishing them by taking it back from them may seem like a good idea, but it is also bloody and other options could be explored.
Russia never made a deal. A Ukrainian head of USSR just gifted Crimea to Ukraine in a sign of "unbreakable friendship and brotherhood between Russian and Ukrainian peoples". Russia could not just take it back though. Those premises are not mutually exclusive. They illegally took back what was rightfully theirs. Punishing them by taking it back from them may seem like a good idea, but it is also bloody and other options could be explored.
If Russia gets Crimea back, then Kaliningrad goes back to Germany.
October is right around the corner. The timing is poetic.
Yup. If there were ever any doubt of whether Russians support the war, now there's none. Absolutely nobody wants to go die for "liberation of Donbass". Any hot heads that wanted it are there already. This war is easily the worst thing that ever happened to almost each and every Russian.
If Russia gets Crimea back, then Kaliningrad goes back to Germany.
Very different circumstances. But if it was up to me, I would have made this trade. Kaliningrad is sandwiched between NATO countries and was never really Russian.
More like a "you have a duty to Russia" message before letting them know military service is now compulsory.
Yeah, my guess is that he will declare war and announce mass mobilization. Also closure of borders. It's the job of a head of the state to declare wars, so there's that.
Very different circumstances. But if it was up to me, I would have made this trade. Kaliningrad is sandwiched between NATO countries and was never really Russian.
Its all Russian now. All remaining Germans were forcefully relocated by the Soviet Union to East Germany post-WWII and its 95% Russian and Belorussian population now. Germany and the EU would not want it back at this point cuz there would need to be a mass deportation of Russians or a mass change of citizenship for the entire city of Russians, neither of which would be palatable.
On another note RCMP reporting last night, Molotovs were thrown at the Russian embassy in Ottawa. You know you F-ed up when Canadians start tossing molotovs at your embassy.
God, this whole thing is so ####ing stupid. Accept the loss, take your troops and stuff, go back home and hang your head in shame.
So bloody stupid this entire war. I well and truly hope most decent Russians see the writing on the wall about this. Absolute nonsense this entire ordeal.
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Almost seven months after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, four areas under Moscow's control have announced plans for urgent so-called referendums on joining Russia.
Could be a way for Russia to save face, end their expansion, and withdraw to more easily held areas. Although Ukraine permanently giving up any more territory is obviously not great.
Could be a way for Russia to save face, end their expansion, and withdraw to more easily held areas. Although Ukraine permanently giving up any more territory is obviously not great.
I think you're misreading it. The LNR and DNR voting for seceding into Russia is either the breakaway regions forcing Russia into more support or more likely, Putin trying to change the narrative from "liberation" which is failing to the narrative of "defending Russian territory". Either way it forces his hand to make more drastic measures ie. conscription and mass mobilization.
Russia never made a deal. A Ukrainian head of USSR just gifted Crimea to Ukraine in a sign of "unbreakable friendship and brotherhood between Russian and Ukrainian peoples". Russia could not just take it back though. Those premises are not mutually exclusive. They illegally took back what was rightfully theirs. Punishing them by taking it back from them may seem like a good idea, but it is also bloody and other options could be explored.
That's where you lose everyone with the argument. It was not rightfully theirs in any context. If at any time during the USSR's reign, they noticed this deal, was in bad faith, they could have remedied it. If there was no line in the deal that if the USSR broke up, Ukraine would have to give it back then Russia has zero rights to it. "No take backs" applies perfectly well. Perpetuating the lie that it is just reclaiming what was theirs is part of the problem, and a gross justification for it.
That's where you lose everyone with the argument. It was not rightfully theirs in any context. If at any time during the USSR's reign, they noticed this deal, was in bad faith, they could have remedied it. If there was no line in the deal that if the USSR broke up, Ukraine would have to give it back then Russia has zero rights to it. "No take backs" applies perfectly well. Perpetuating the lie that it is just reclaiming what was theirs is part of the problem, and a gross justification for it.
You look at it as if it was some kind of deal between Russia and Ukraine to transfer Crimea, like negotiated between two governments. It was not. It was an order from the head of the state of the USSR, who was Ukrainian. It obviously doesn't justify 2014 invasion and I sure wish it would have never happened. It could be Ukrainian for all I care. Nonetheless the argument started from a tweet by Zelensky, who said, that Ukraine wants nothing to do with Russian "brotherhood", while maintaining that he will push to take back Crimea that is literally the sign of that brotherhood. I could understand either of that, but not both simultaneously.
You look at it as if it was some kind of deal between Russia and Ukraine to transfer Crimea, like negotiated between two governments. It was not. It was an order from the head of the state of the USSR, who was Ukrainian. It obviously doesn't justify 2014 invasion and I sure wish it would have never happened. It could be Ukrainian for all I care. Nonetheless the argument started from a tweet by Zelensky, who said, that Ukraine wants nothing to do with Russian "brotherhood", while maintaining that he will push to take back Crimea that is literally the sign of that brotherhood. I could understand either of that, but not both simultaneously.
You don't understand that Russia is the one who burned the brotherhood to the ground? If the deal requires a brotherhood to be maintained(which it doesn't, that's silly) then Russia is the guilty party on that one, too. I just don't see an argument you can make that entitles Russia to Crimea. Sour grapes about how the USSR failed, or becuase the "deal" was made by a Ukrainian(surly not unilaterally) do not give Russia the right to it.
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Speaking as an ignorant westerner, the border gore would be unbearable if Russia were to keep Crimea. The Kaliningrad region is already bad enough. And Alaska.
Dmitry Medvedev, a former Russian president who is currently deputy chairman of the country's security council, suggested before the announcements that the outcome of such votes would be irreversible and give Moscow — which has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world — carte blanche to defend what it would regard as legally its own territory.
"Encroachment onto Russian territory is a crime which allows you to use all the forces of self-defence," Medvedev said in a post on Telegram. "This is why these referendums are so feared in Kyiv and the West."
How about you go #### yourself, eh? Goddamn Russia. Indefensible. But ya, let these ####faces have Crimea, what a great idea. Nothing ill could come of that.
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How about you go #### yourself, eh? Goddamn Russia. Indefensible. But ya, let these ####faces have Crimea, what a great idea. Nothing ill could come of that.
Truly a ####hole country.
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How about you go #### yourself, eh? Goddamn Russia. Indefensible. But ya, let these ####faces have Crimea, what a great idea. Nothing ill could come of that.
#### them, call their bluff.
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