08-13-2025, 11:49 AM
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#7501
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
Yet here were few on the board who thought they should move Huberdeau.
And once you kept Huberdeau, the Monny trade to sign Kadri made sense.
The rebuild at that time is simply hindsight by the large majority of posters.
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In fact, a whole lot of people said the trade was bad if Treliving failed to sign Huberdeau long term.
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08-13-2025, 12:01 PM
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#7502
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus
Speaking of lame ducks. McTavish has not re-signed in Anaheim yet....sounds like Verbeek is dead set on a bridge, which is obviously a sticking point for the player.
It would be worth the stab by Conroy to finally grab a young, skilled center even at the 6 x 9M AAV compensation (a 1st 2nd and 3rd rounder) that I don't believe the Ducks may have a hard time matching on principle. The Flames have enough picks to withstand that and will recoup much of that in an Andersson deal at some point.
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A small technicality: it would have to be 5 years or less.
The RFA compensation brackets are defined by dividing the total contract amount by the number of years, but that number can't be higher than 5. So $9M x 6, will require the same compensation a $10.8M offer would which is 2 x 1sts + 2nd + 3rd.
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08-13-2025, 12:55 PM
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#7503
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Buffalo and Arizona did it for better lottery odds for McDavid in 2015. Wouldn’t be shocked if Nashville and another team does the same for McKenna.
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Buffalo's efforts in 2015 were the following to tank
1) Trading a 2015 1st round pick, 25 yr old Tyler Myers, 30 year old Drew Stafford, 2014 2nd round pick Lemieux for 25 year Bogosian, 24 year old Evander Kane and a career AHLer. So they basically traded futures for win now guys in this trade.
2) Traded Chris Stewart for a 2015 2nd round pick
year before that they traded Vanek for a 1st, 2nd and Matt Moulson
traded Miller and Ott for Chris Stewart, Halak, a 2013 2nd (Carrier), a 1st and a 3rd
so their rebuild effort netted a 1st, two seconds and a third over 2 years with the prospects being a wash. The Flames have been much much more focused on accumulating picks and prospects.
They kept 35 year old Brian Gionta, 30 year old Josh Gorges, 30 year old Matt Moulson and 6 other players 28 years of age or older.
Arizona did a bit more than Buffalo trading Yandle and Vermette for pure futures but decided to keep 37 year old Doan, 33 year old Erat, 32 year old Smith, 32 year old David Moss. It was not exactly a fire sale.
Last edited by Aarongavey; 08-13-2025 at 01:06 PM.
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08-13-2025, 02:31 PM
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#7504
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by dino7c
If the Flames kept Monahan the most likely, almost for sure scenario would be he would miss most of the season and then sign elsewhere as a UFA.
People are forgetting (as usual) that Montreal re-signed the guy when he was headed to UFA before flipping him. Also, stat padding no defence Montreal that year helped them fleece the Jets for a first
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And we’d have a first still… so his contract would have easily been LTIR and then he’d walk and we’d have a first… yup seemed obvious then, and obvious now, that was the move.
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08-13-2025, 03:07 PM
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#7505
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
And we’d have a first still… so his contract would have easily been LTIR and then he’d walk and we’d have a first… yup seemed obvious then, and obvious now, that was the move.
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LTIR for what? By the time he was hurt it would have been useless. Kadri is a better asset than Victor Eklund. The trade wasnt perfect but it didnt really hurt the Flames like some seem to think. I promise you Montreal would give up Victor Eklund in 2 seconds for Kadri.
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Last edited by dino7c; 08-13-2025 at 03:11 PM.
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08-13-2025, 03:11 PM
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#7506
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
And we’d have a first still… so his contract would have easily been LTIR and then he’d walk and we’d have a first… yup seemed obvious then, and obvious now, that was the move.
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He started the year on the active roster. The Flames couldn't just willy nilly add him to LTIR to start the year with no basis.
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08-13-2025, 03:15 PM
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#7507
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
If the Flames kept Monahan the most likely, almost for sure scenario would be he would miss most of the season and then sign elsewhere as a UFA.
People are forgetting (as usual) that Montreal re-signed the guy when he was headed to UFA before flipping him. Also, stat padding no defence Montreal that year helped them fleece the Jets for a first
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Also add in the Jets were rumored to be in on Lindholm, and missed out on him. They had to overpay for Monahan because there was a nonexistent center market past Monahan at the TDL. Vancouver forced Winnipeg to make that deal.
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08-13-2025, 04:34 PM
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#7508
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
In fact, a whole lot of people said the trade was bad if Treliving failed to sign Huberdeau long term.
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probably the same group of people that are still defending these moves..
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08-13-2025, 04:40 PM
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#7509
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by dino7c
LTIR for what? By the time he was hurt it would have been useless. Kadri is a better asset than Victor Eklund. The trade wasnt perfect but it didnt really hurt the Flames like some seem to think. I promise you Montreal would give up Victor Eklund in 2 seconds for Kadri.
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Eklund is on the Islanders now. But I 100% would give up Kadri for him. No question.
Kadri is about to be 35. Eklund has the potential to be a first line winger.
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08-13-2025, 05:15 PM
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#7510
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
And we’d have a first still… so his contract would have easily been LTIR and then he’d walk and we’d have a first… yup seemed obvious then, and obvious now, that was the move.
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Really easy to say with hindsight but the Flames were going to compete after that Huberdeau signing. Media had the Flames as legit contenders
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08-13-2025, 05:42 PM
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#7511
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bonded
Really easy to say with hindsight but the Flames were going to compete after that Huberdeau signing. Media had the Flames as legit contenders
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So did most posters, who were in the process of erecting a statute of Treliving.
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08-13-2025, 05:56 PM
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#7512
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
So did most posters, who were in the process of erecting a statute of Treliving.
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Still an incredible trade.
The contract extension for Huby? Not so much in hindsight. At the time he had Johnny numbers plus the size/strength this team and fanbase tends to covet.
Even with the extension, that trade is at worst a B. It’s on Huby to deliver $10.5m worth of stats (the way he used to before moving here).
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08-13-2025, 06:02 PM
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#7513
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
Really easy to say with hindsight but the Flames were going to compete after that Huberdeau signing. Media had the Flames as legit contenders
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It wasn’t like it was completely out of reality. They replaced Gaudreau with Huberdeau, which wasn’t seen as a huge difference at the time. Losing Tkachuk was a big loss of course.
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08-13-2025, 06:16 PM
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#7514
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
Still an incredible trade.
The contract extension for Huby? Not so much in hindsight. At the time he had Johnny numbers plus the size/strength this team and fanbase tends to covet.
Even with the extension, that trade is at worst a B. It’s on Huby to deliver $10.5m worth of stats (the way he used to before moving here).
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It looked good at the time. Unfortunately, in hindsight, Huberdeau fell apart. We traded a guy who was a big reason his team won 2 cups in exchange for 2 players who never really have won anything at the NHL level.
It is what it is though.
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08-13-2025, 06:49 PM
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#7515
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
It looked good at the time. Unfortunately, in hindsight, Huberdeau fell apart. We traded a guy who was a big reason his team won 2 cups in exchange for 2 players who never really have won anything at the NHL level.
It is what it is though.
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… a guy who was walking for nothing allowed us to trade him for those players. That’s what happened, not what you said.
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08-13-2025, 06:53 PM
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#7516
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Rhett44
It looked good at the time. Unfortunately, in hindsight, Huberdeau fell apart. We traded a guy who was a big reason his team won 2 cups in exchange for 2 players who never really have won anything at the NHL level.
It is what it is though.
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To be more accurate, we traded a guy who made it known he was leaving whether we liked it or not. He gave a short list of teams that he was willing to go to with an extension and we were lucky to get what we did as the rumoured return from the Blues was much worse.
You make it sound like there was an option where we could keep Tkachuk, which is not true. Once Brad gave him that bridge contract the risk of him forcing his way out went up dramatically.
This is likely one of the reasons so many young stars are getting big contracts now instead of bridge deals.
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08-13-2025, 07:04 PM
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#7517
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
To be more accurate, we traded a guy who made it known he was leaving whether we liked it or not. He gave a short list of teams that he was willing to go to with an extension and we were lucky to get what we did as the rumoured return from the Blues was much worse.
You make it sound like there was an option where we could keep Tkachuk, which is not true. Once Brad gave him that bridge contract the risk of him forcing his way out went up dramatically.
This is likely one of the reasons so many young stars are getting big contracts now instead of bridge deals.
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Yeah the bridge was a mistake but I dont think that it became impossible to re-sign him once it was signed. Calgary didn't offer to back up the truck for him and didn't capitulate to his room/leadership demands. We wanted to keep our club culture.
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08-13-2025, 07:52 PM
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#7518
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
probably the same group of people that are still defending these moves..
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Nope. The same people who are criticizing the contract more likely.
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08-13-2025, 08:31 PM
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#7519
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Huberdeau set the record for assists by a left winger, and put up 115 points the year we traded for him. Who would have thought that he could regress the way he did? It ended up being a complete disaster.
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08-13-2025, 08:59 PM
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#7520
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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The other thing that I think heavily impacted our ability to keep tkachuk and all Americans was the pandemic and lockdowns. Totally out of our control and spooked American players.
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