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Old 08-12-2025, 01:46 PM   #7401
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I'm fully aware of the organizational mandate the Flames operate under. The Monahan/Kadria maneuver was Trelivings final move that ended his tenure . Like I said in my previous post, in hindsight, the better and smarter move was to keep Monahan and let Kadri sign elsewhere.

That doesn't mean I don't understand that signing Kadri and moving Monahan wasnt about attempting to replace a key part of the core they were attempting to keep. But it didn't matter ....in hindsight. They still left.

I actually think an argument could be made keeping Monahan would have aided the Flames in keeping the players they wanted to keep. But that's neither here nor there and is a full blown whataboutism that can't really stand up.

doesnt matter in the end. This is the reality we live in and they're doing a pretty good job building up while trying to be a playoff team.

Can't wait for the pre season or any more trades or moves they may make.
Mandate they lived under, past tense. They are in a full blown rebuild now and are making no moves to try to make the playoffs. That is the new mandate, full rebuild.
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I advocated to try and sign Dylan Strome. Again, in retrospect, that would have been a better move.
How do you know that?
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Mandate they lived under, past tense. They are in a full blown rebuild now and are making no moves to try to make the playoffs. That is the new mandate, full rebuild.
Hey look at that, you two can answer each other and we don't need to answer your circular questions anymore!

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Mandate they lived under, past tense. They are in a full blown rebuild now and are making no moves to try to make the playoffs. That is the new mandate, full rebuild.
Are they in full blown rebuild? Because I'm not seeing it. Full blown rebuild would mean moving Kadri, not entertaining keeping Andersson at any cost and maybe shuffling Backlund off to pasture.
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Are they in full blown rebuild? Because I'm not seeing it. Full blown rebuild would mean moving Kadri, not entertaining keeping Andersson at any cost and maybe shuffling Backlund off to pasture.
at any cost?

And Backlund to pasture? One of the team's best play driving forwards?
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at any cost?

And Backlund to pasture? One of the team's best play driving forwards?
Yeah. If we are talking about the Flames being in a full blown rebuild right now instead of the balanced build and compete approach I think they're doing. Then yeah, a full blown rebuild would be the Flames not even remotely interested in retaining Anderssons services, moving Kadri off and potentially Backlund . That's a full blown rebuild in my eyes. In which I don't think they're doing.

I'm wondering if you misread my post again.
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Catastrophic is a little dramatic.
Anyone how describes the Flames roster building as catastrophic could probably use some other interest or a nice dose of perspective.

The Flames tried to remain competitive. It didn’t work out. No need to lose any sleep. Every team in every sport makes poor decisions at times and, as far as I’m aware, nearly every team has their fair share of disappointments. That’s part of fandom.

On to the next season. Who knows what’s going to happen? There will be some good and there will be some bad and none of us have any control over it.
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Yeah. If we are talking about the Flames being in a full blown rebuild right now instead of the balanced build and compete approach I think they're doing. Then yeah, a full blown rebuild would be the Flames not even remotely interested in retaining Anderssons services, moving Kadri off and potentially Backlund . That's a full blown rebuild in my eyes. In which I don't think they're doing.

I'm wondering if you misread my post again.
Don't think so.

I wasn't arguing your view that they're not in a full blow rebuild.

Just the thought they are looking to retain Andersson at any cost, and that Backlund is ready for any pasture.
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I advocated to try and sign Dylan Strome. Again, in retrospect, that would have been a better move.
And the Monahan + 1st + Coronato for Miller thing. Hindsight looks great if you only pick out the good ones.
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Yeah. If we are talking about the Flames being in a full blown rebuild right now instead of the balanced build and compete approach I think they're doing. Then yeah, a full blown rebuild would be the Flames not even remotely interested in retaining Anderssons services, moving Kadri off and potentially Backlund . That's a full blown rebuild in my eyes. In which I don't think they're doing.

I'm wondering if you misread my post again.
Andersson: I don't think they have any interest, at least not at a contract Rasmus will accept. Any expressed interest is just optics
Backlund: Deadline decision. And probably when he has the most value.
Kadri: Not that simple with full blown NTC. Options open up when it shifts to modified NTC next summer.

So within the limits of what they can do now, it seems like they are doing them no?
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Hey look at that, you two can answer each other and we don't need to answer your circular questions anymore!
Or you could answer the question I asked you.

Or avoid it.
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Some fans are so easy to please.

I can't imagine looking back at the last few years and saying "yes more of that please"
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I think Backlund is pretty washed. Which is exactly what I'm worried is going to happen to Kadri soon. 35 year olds are usually on the down trajectory of their careers. Their value will be much less soon.
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Old 08-12-2025, 02:11 PM   #7414
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Don't think so.

I wasn't arguing your view that they're not in a full blow rebuild.

Just the thought they are looking to retain Andersson at any cost, and that Backlund is ready for any pasture.
No no. Reverse that on Andersson. I did say NOT entertaining Andersson at any cost.

Backlund to pasture was more about his age and making room for young centers. Not his playing metrics.
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I think Backlund is pretty washed. Which is exactly what I'm worried is going to happen to Kadri soon. 35 year olds are usually on the down trajectory of their careers. Their value will be much less soon.
So what’s the objective? Seems like team tank should be advocating for keeping these depreciating assets as their performance plummets. Surely that would increase their odds at landing that top 3 pick that would send the team on a meteoric rise to greatness, no?
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And the Monahan + 1st + Coronato for Miller thing. Hindsight looks great if you only pick out the good ones.
I mean, I didn't remember making that trade proposal but Miller would have probably made us better than Kadri over the same period, and we would have gone on to trade him already again. So we'd still be in a better place than we currently are.
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So what’s the objective? Seems like team tank should be advocating for keeping these depreciating assets as their performance plummets. Surely that would increase their odds at landing that top 3 pick that would send the team on a meteoric rise to greatness, no?
Your obtuse refusal to understand even the simplest of proposals for properly building the franchise continues to be hilarious. Sure, believe that if you want.
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No no. Reverse that on Andersson. I did say NOT entertaining Andersson at any cost.

Backlund to pasture was more about his age and making room for young centers. Not his playing metrics.
Backlund isn’t blocking anyone. I’d be fine if they let him chase Flames records if he wants.
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I mean, I didn't remember making that trade proposal but Miller would have probably made us better than Kadri over the same period, and we would have gone on to trade him already again. So we'd still be in a better place than we currently are.
Lol.

Based on what? You sure have a wild imagination.
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Andersson: I don't think they have any interest, at least not at a contract Rasmus will accept. Any expressed interest is just optics
Backlund: Deadline decision. And probably when he has the most value.
Kadri: Not that simple with full blown NTC. Options open up when it shifts to modified NTC next summer.

So within the limits of what they can do now, it seems like they are doing them no?
While I'd love to see some more moves I also appreciate and respect the fact that they're taking their sweet time moving players they should be moving in a proverbial full blown rebuild.

Where they went askew previously in other builds was the lack of patience. Even under Treliving.

So this will be interesting to see how this season goes but I like that there seems to be a plan in place to replace vets when there's a kid ready.
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