2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by keenan87

4. Trade Gaudreau for Konecny

I would do that in a heartbeat. I don't think Philly would touch that deal though, not without the Flames adding something significant.

They are pretty similar players, so I doubt Philly would want to trade for the older, more expensive, soon to be UFA version.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by New Era

Jesus ####ing Christ, this stuff is getting stupid and old. A nine asset for two asset trade. Then a five asset for one asset trade. Zero thought as to why teams would do such things or the impacts those deals would have the health of the organization, just do it "for the hell of it." We need a couple of wins just so people will stop posting this nonsense.

Those trades take in $5.1M in extra salary (not possible), plus we would be left with no 1st, 2nd or 3rd next year, no 1st, 2nd or 3rd the next year, and no 1st or 2nd the year after that. And we included this year's 1st.

lol

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I would do that in a heartbeat. I don't think Philly would touch that deal though, not without the Flames adding something significant.

They are pretty similar players, so I doubt Philly would want to trade for the older, more expensive, soon to be UFA version.

Gaudreau >> Konecny

Konecny is not a top level player. If we trade Gaudreau for Konecny, viewing the trade in a vaccum, the Flames get worse.

Konecny has been a healthy scratch this season. He's also scored a hattrick, but outside of that Hattrick game (where he also had an assist), he only has 4 points in 11 games.

Konecny this season:
CF%: 45.22
SF%: 37.06
GF%: 62.50
xGF%: 46.48
SCF%: 50.41
HDCF%: 46.81
HDGF%: 83.33

To me, not only has Konecny been bad this year - he's also been lucky.

Outside of 2019/2020, Johnny Gaudreau has been significantly better than Konency every year they've been in the league. I don't agree with the idea that Calgary would have to add in that situation, at all.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I'll make a pitch for Eichel using a 3-way trade (PHI/BUF/CGY). This is assuming Buffalo wants to rebuild yet again. They basically will with the departure of a franchise player. I tried to find a way where they get a huge haul with trading not only Eichel, but Hall (who I am assuming does not get re-signed) and also maximizing Ristolainen's trade value as a minute-munching defenseman (has one more year left on his deal after this one).

Traded
PHI (5 pieces):
JVR - $7,000,000
Shane Gostisbehere - $4,500,000 x 3
Morgan Frost - $863,333 x 2, RFA --> 29 points in 41 games in the AHL in 19/20, also has career 7 points in 22 games.
2021 (or 2022) 1st (PHI)
Wyatt Wylie - $820,833 x 3, RFA --> PPG WHL RD prospect, 2 points in 4 games in AHL in 20/21

BUF (3 pieces):
Eichel - $10,000,000 x 6
Hall - $8,000,000 x 1
Ristolainen- $5,400,000 x 2

CGY (5 pieces):
Monahan - $6,375,000 x 3
Gaudreau - $6,750,000 x 2
Hanifin - $4,950,000 x 4
2021 or (2022) 1st (CGY)
2021 3rd (EDM)

Acquired

Philly (2 pieces): Gaudreau, Ristolainen

Buffalo (8 pieces): Monahan, Hanifin, JVR, Frost, 2021 1st (CGY), 2021 1st (PHI), Wylie, 2021 3rd (EDM)

Calgary (3 pieces): Eichel, Hall (50%), Gostisbehere

Philly Rationale: Philly is going all in by acquiring an elite winger who can play in their top 6 by flanking a familiar face in Hayes. I think with some rekindled chemistry, the Flyers could have 2 1st lines with how stacked they could be with Gaudreau. They also give up a few futures for Ristolainen, who could be an offensive weapon for Philly and playing with either Provorov or Sanheim to create a rock solid pairing.

I want to keep Gaudreau as much as you guys do, but this core needs some changing. I'll happily do it for a franchise C.

Buffalo rationale: Buffalo is going to lose the deal regardless, it's hard to compensate for the loss of a franchise player. But, a 2nd line LW, a borderline 1C, a top 4D (young and cost controlled), a solid center prospect, 2 1sts, and a project RD is not a bad return for a disgruntled franchise C, a LW that probably won't want to stay in Buffalo if they did trade Eichel (who has rumored to want to be in Calgary in the past), and also a top 4 RD who would have left Buffalo anyway. Buffalo then rolls with Monahan/Cozens/Frost center depth and can choose to flip Monahan later on if need be. Reinhart could somewhat play the role of Gaudrea by setting up Monahan for goals.

Calgary: I don't think I have to explain why Eichel would be of good use in Calgary. Even if he didn't re-sign here, at least we are trying to contend with him and Markstrom on the team for 5 years after this one. That should be our window to do everything we can do win a cup here in Calgary. Gostisbhere isn't do much in Philly, at this point he is borderline negative value, but we can use him on the PP and limit his ES time like we did with Gustafsson.

Side note: This deal would be appealing to both the Flyers and Sabres because they are in the same division. JVR, Ristolainen, and Frost could already move onto their next teams. If the trade was made now (obviously this is all hypothetical), the Flames could have Eichel back on the 7th of March. We play half of our games against the Senators around that time, so it's not like we would be losing games guaranteed while we awaited for Jack.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I'll make a pitch for Eichel using a 3-way trade (PHI/BUF/CGY). This is assuming Buffalo wants to rebuild yet again. They basically will with the departure of a franchise player. I tried to find a way where they get a huge haul with trading not only Eichel, but Hall (who I am assuming does not get re-signed) and also maximizing Ristolainen's trade value as a minute-munching defenseman (has one more year left on his deal after this one).

Traded
PHI (5 pieces):
JVR - $7,000,000
Shane Gostisbehere - $4,500,000 x 3
Morgan Frost - $863,333 x 2, RFA --> 29 points in 41 games in the AHL in 19/20, also has career 7 points in 22 games.
2021 (or 2022) 1st (PHI)
Wyatt Wylie - $820,833 x 3, RFA --> PPG WHL RD prospect, 2 points in 4 games in AHL in 20/21

BUF (3 pieces):
Eichel - $10,000,000 x 6
Hall - $8,000,000 x 1
Ristolainen- $5,400,000 x 2

CGY (5 pieces):
Monahan - $6,375,000 x 3
Gaudreau - $6,750,000 x 2
Hanifin - $4,950,000 x 4
2021 or (2022) 1st (CGY)
2021 3rd (EDM)

Acquired

Philly (2 pieces): Gaudreau, Ristolainen

Buffalo (8 pieces): Monahan, Hanifin, JVR, Frost, 2021 1st (CGY), 2021 1st (PHI), Wylie, 2021 3rd (EDM)

Calgary (3 pieces): Eichel, Hall (50%), Gostisbehere

Philly Rationale: Philly is going all in by acquiring an elite winger who can play in their top 6 by flanking a familiar face in Hayes. I think with some rekindled chemistry, the Flyers could have 2 1st lines with how stacked they could be with Gaudreau. They also give up a few futures for Ristolainen, who could be an offensive weapon for Philly and playing with either Provorov or Sanheim to create a rock solid pairing.

I want to keep Gaudreau as much as you guys do, but this core needs some changing. I'll happily do it for a franchise C.

Buffalo rationale: Buffalo is going to lose the deal regardless, it's hard to compensate for the loss of a franchise player. But, a 2nd line LW, a borderline 1C, a top 4D (young and cost controlled), a solid center prospect, 2 1sts, and a project RD is not a bad return for a disgruntled franchise C, a LW that probably won't want to stay in Buffalo if they did trade Eichel (who has rumored to want to be in Calgary in the past), and also a top 4 RD who would have left Buffalo anyway. Buffalo then rolls with Monahan/Cozens/Frost center depth and can choose to flip Monahan later on if need be. Reinhart could somewhat play the role of Gaudrea by setting up Monahan for goals.

Calgary: I don't think I have to explain why Eichel would be of good use in Calgary. Even if he didn't re-sign here, at least we are trying to contend with him and Markstrom on the team for 5 years after this one. That should be our window to do everything we can do win a cup here in Calgary. Gostisbhere isn't do much in Philly, at this point he is borderline negative value, but we can use him on the PP and limit his ES time like we did with Gustafsson.

Side note: This deal would be appealing to both the Flyers and Sabres because they are in the same division. JVR, Ristolainen, and Frost could already move onto their next teams. If the trade was made now (obviously this is all hypothetical), the Flames could have Eichel back on the 7th of March. We play half of our games against the Senators around that time, so it's not like we would be losing games guaranteed while we awaited for Jack.

I read the above trade and admittedly tuned out. When has hockey ever had a trade like that post-1980s? Something like that would simply never happen.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by fleury

I read the above trade and admittedly tuned out. When has hockey ever had a trade like that post-1980s? Something like that would simply never happen.

Relax dude, it was all fun and games. Of course it wouldn't happen, but how many of the trades proposed on here happen? Enjoy your Sunday

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Relax dude, it was all fun and games. Of course it wouldn't happen, but how many of the trades proposed on here happen? Enjoy your Sunday

Fair enough. It was lost on me with the big write up. No insult intended though after reading it, it did come across as pretty blunt. Apologies.

[Cowtownred]

Change the coach, and go from there. See what we have under a seasoned NHL coach.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Don't think the Flames are going to tank, well if they stay the course this season they could easily get a top 5 pick imo.


But moving Gio and Backlund for picks and injecting some youth isnt really gonna move the needle.


But moving Johnny etc for other players in similar age would just be a retool.

pretty ironic isn't it? at this rate, Calgary's winning % would have them picking 8th OA if they continue on this pace.

"Tank" at this rate is simply the difference of keeping a couple of players as opposed to trading them

Maybe they'll luck out and get a top 3 pick through the lottery; this may be the highest chance they've had in years.

[Roof-Daddy]

The Flames aren't blowing it up IMO. Best we can hope for are some change of scenery type trades with other struggling teams that would hopefully shake the roster out of its funk. But even those are extra hard to do this year with the COVID protocols.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The Flames aren't blowing it up IMO. Best we can hope for are some change of scenery type trades with other struggling teams that would hopefully shake the roster out of its funk. But even those are extra hard to do this year with the COVID protocols.

The only lever they can pull to turn things around is a new coach. Trades won’t work with the quarantine. Blow the team up in the summer with some huge trades but if they want to salvage this year they need to bring in Sutter as coach in my opinion.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The only lever they can pull to turn things around is a new coach. Trades won’t work with the quarantine. Blow the team up in the summer with some huge trades but if they want to salvage this year they need to bring in Sutter as coach in my opinion.

We’ve seen what the team has done with 3 coaches. What would be different with a fourth? Might get a short bounce but won’t change the trajectory long term. There might be other gms on hot seats like Treliving and a deal might be there now that may not be available in off season. Do the deal now, eat the 14 day quarantine and come out of it better than before. If warrener says the room is bad and guys aren’t playing for each other, that is the issue and changing the coach will not address that.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

We’ve seen what the team has done with 3 coaches. What would be different with a fourth? Might get a short bounce but won’t change the trajectory long term. There might be other gms on hot seats like Treliving and a deal might be there now that may not be available in off season. Do the deal now, eat the 14 day quarantine and come out of it better than before. If warrener says the room is bad and guys aren’t playing for each other, that is the issue and changing the coach will not address that.

Get the new coach bump with a coach who can motivate them for the season and report back about which players to deal in the offseason when it's easier to move players with a better return.

[Wastedyouth]

Lol. Some galaxy level brain stuff going on in these trade proposals.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

We’ve seen what the team has done with 3 coaches. What would be different with a fourth? Might get a short bounce but won’t change the trajectory long term. There might be other gms on hot seats like Treliving and a deal might be there now that may not be available in off season. Do the deal now, eat the 14 day quarantine and come out of it better than before. If warrener says the room is bad and guys aren’t playing for each other, that is the issue and changing the coach will not address that.

Has he outright said this? If so, there doesn't seem to be any reason this is false. As a former player, not sure why Warrener would lie about this (if anything, he would stay quiet).

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The only lever they can pull to turn things around is a new coach. Trades won’t work with the quarantine. Blow the team up in the summer with some huge trades but if they want to salvage this year they need to bring in Sutter as coach in my opinion.

More interested in Boudreau than Sutter myself

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Has he outright said this? If so, there doesn't seem to be any reason this is false. As a former player, not sure why Warrener would lie about this (if anything, he would stay quiet).

It was his opinion that the room is bad, but his opinion is worth something given his experience.

Someone posted this somewhere a few days ago:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/boomer-...chuk-incident/

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

More interested in Boudreau than Sutter myself

That’s fair but I see some potential for Sutter to pull off some 04 or 12 magic and take a low seed far in the playoffs. The blueprint is there with elite goaltending on every one of those teams. Boudreau is great in the regular season but was not been able to take a prime Ovie or a very solid Ducks team to the finals.

I would be happy with either though

[djsFlames]

Drive out to Sutter's farm and give him the pitch.

It's the perfect low risk, high reward move that can give you an immediate impact.

Noting else will come close.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Get the new coach bump with a coach who can motivate them for the season and report back about which players to deal in the offseason when it's easier to move players with a better return.

I’d be shocked if ward didn’t report back to Treliving his thoughts after the Dallas debacle. Plus Treliving saw with his own eyes what happened. This is on Treliving as he couldn’t/wouldn’t make changes to core in off season. So we are paying for the inaction now.

All the talk from Treliving in the off season was about you can make changes but don’t want to make team worse. I think he way overvalues his players and/or our players are more valuable to us than the returns that other teams offered us. There seems to be an aversion to take one step back for two steps forward. Or even consider addition through subtraction. Not every deal has to be a home run and I think that’s how Treliving approaches trades. Singles and doubles count too.