[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[getbak]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

So, no Parekh on the team then? Or do they shift Weegard to LHD and put Kuz to the 3rd pair with Brz?

I'd bet either Whitecloud or Pachal will be moved before the deadline.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Meh. Just flip him

That very well could happen. That is my wish.

[Roko]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Somewhere I've thought about with Kadri is Carolina. If they're looking to move Kotkaniemi (and even if they don't), they have cap space to take Kadri's full load.

To CGY: Kotkaniemi, DAL 2026 1st
To CAR: Kadri

I'd do that.

CAR is on his NTC

[ComixZone]

Conroy just said Zayne is going get the majority of his time on the PP (...wtf), and that Weegar can play on Left D. Doesn't sound like Whitecloud is getting traded, they expect him to come in and play big minutes.

[Roko]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'm willing to give Whitecloud a chance before we write him off. Maybe he becomes a serviceable defensive defenseman for the team until we find someone better.

Whitecloud is already a good D man. Gotta flip him

[mile]

Just catching on Conroy on fan 960 right now


Doesn't think this is one move

Says the plan doesn't change, will continue to try to get young guys in

Whitecloud won't affect Zayne's ice time on the power play, which is where he will get most of his ice time. Weegar can also move to the left side if needed

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Agree again with a lot of your post.

It was spoken at length years ago that proper rebuilds require self reflection and cutting quick. So a point of frustration for many that we didn't do that, which is frustrating from two perspectives in that we wasted development time and we didn't target a strong 2023 draft.

As for picking Hart candidates, fully agree. We'll likely need one to pull out of our current decent. Gotta have a shot at it though by being in the top 10 draft picks.

Anyway I look forward to the conversation shifting from whether we're in a rebuild to assessing the quality and fit of our young assets.

With Treliving and Sutter the Flames were never going to rebuild in 2023. Brad told owners he would build a winner and Sutter would never have agreed to a rebuilding team. Meant a missed opportunity with Tkachuk but it is what it is.

Conroy came in and presented his plan to rebuild and ownership signed off on it. Might be fair to criticize not trading some guys last year but I think he just felt he had to give them a chance since they were so close to making the playoffs. Fact that he did next to nothing trying to improve outside the Frost/Farabee trade (and I suspect he will end up netting out more picks than he gave up in that trade) tells me that at best his plan was delayed a year. But he has consistently implemented his plan and I think any reasonable person knows it will take time.

See what Conroy does the rest of this year but I suspect at the end of the day he ends up moving 2 more assets out for picks and prospects and moves even more next year.

[Roko]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Conroy just said Zayne is going get the majority of his time on the PP (...wtf), and that Weegar can play on Left D. Doesn't sound like Whitecloud is getting traded, they expect him to come in and play big minutes.

I recall getting ripped by people on here for commenting that we always add retool type players in trades…

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Conroy just said Zayne is going get the majority of his time on the PP (...wtf), and that Weegar can play on Left D. Doesn't sound like Whitecloud is getting traded, they expect him to come in and play big minutes.

Rebiggle

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Somewhere I've thought about with Kadri is Carolina. If they're looking to move Kotkaniemi (and even if they don't), they have cap space to take Kadri's full load.

To CGY: Kotkaniemi, DAL 2026 1st
To CAR: Kadri

I'd do that.

I would personally hope to get more than that. Kotkaniemi is the equivalent of eating 4.8 million dollars of salary and the Dallas pick will be at best 26th overall. Also don’t think Kadri has Carolina on his list.

[dino7c]

This was better than the rental deals, he wasnt extending elsewhere obviously, hurts the Oilers

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by mile

Just catching on Conroy on fan 960 right now


Doesn't think this is one move

Says the plan doesn't change, will continue to try to get young guys in

Whitecloud won't affect Zayne's ice time on the power play, which is where he will get most of his ice time. Weegar can also move to the left side if needed

I'm not tuned in on the radio right now. What does this mean?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The greatest Rebiggle in NHL history continues !

Whitecloud will help the Flames D next year and our goal of being competitive !

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If so, then he must be a pretty decent asset no?

Whitecloud is a pretty decent player. If the Flames hold onto him at the deadline, that will be a pretty clear indication that they want to be in the playoff mix next season rather than in a lottery pick position.

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

We really do have to trade Coleman and Kadri now if there are decent offers. Those two both have risk of their games falling off a cliff and being worth nothing in a year from now.

Originally Posted by Southside

The return is probably fair. Whatever. But, have we not seen this movie before? Time to start dealing with pending UFAs the year prior. Blake Coleman needs to be moved now.

When's the last time the Flames traded a good roster player who had term? They didn't do it with Zadorov, Lindholm, or Hanifin. The Devils had a deal for Markstrom when they would have gotten two playoffs out of him, and the upper brass pulled the rug out from Conroy. And they just walked Andersson to rental status.

If the team moves Kadri or Coleman it will be a break with well-established philosphy of the franchise. It's pretty clear they value being a player-friendly destination more than maximizing asset value.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I'm not tuned in on the radio right now. What does this mean?

He said "this is the first one" right at the end of the interview.

Sounds like he has plans...

Spoke specifically to how we're going to continue to get more young players into the line-up as we go down the stretch...seems to me he's alluding to more trades coming.

[mile]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I'm not tuned in on the radio right now. What does this mean?

Was paraphrasing but it just sounds like he's not done making trades. Not one and done

[mile]

If Conroy plans to shop Whitecloud, he isn't going to say that publicly. I wouldn't read much into anything he says about his usage

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He said "this is the first one" right at the end of the interview.

Sounds like he has plans...

Spoke specifically to how we're going to continue to get more young players into the line-up as we go down the stretch...seems to me he's alluding to more trades coming.

Kadri please

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Rebiggle

What does this mean?

[dammage79]

This is extreme sarcasm but I cant wait to see what kind of defensemen the Flames trade Coleman and Kadri for.

[albertGQ]

Any conditions on the 2027 first rounder?

Top 10 protected? Top 5? Lottery protected?