[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[Vinny01]

I know there is no karma around this but I look at the Sens situation. They made a mistake and traded a bunch of futures for Duchene since they were close to the finals the year before and it cost them a 4th overall pick. They then shipped Karlsson to the Sharks who went on a run to the conference finals and once he re-signed the Sens got the Sharks 2020 1st and luck would have it that they get the third pick and Stutzle.

Could this year be the Flames turn? They traded a young superstar Matthew Tkachuk for 2 in their prime players with 1 year left on their deals. This summer they now have 2 solid assets in their prime with one year left on their deals in Lindholm and Hanifin. What young franchise game changer can the team acquire? Can we please not have the same luck the Sens got when they were in the reverse position?

[Hackey]

Columbus would be a good target for a team who maybe wants a short cut to getting better but could be very bad. The Flames would be a decent gamble but we cant trade with ourselves. A trade like that could be huge though if you get some luck. Pretty much the only way the Flames are going to land and young star in the next few years. Most teams who will be in the bottom of the league are not trading their 1st unfortunately.

[Vinny01]

I worded my post poorly.

The Sens unknowingly traded a top 4 pick for a veteran player. They then unknowingly acquired a top 3 pick when they traded their own veteran away not long after.

The Flames traded a 24 year old superstar for a 28 year old top pairing D and 29 year old superstar with one year left on their deals. Hopefully they can trade their 26 year old top pairing D and 28 year old top line 2 way center for a 23-25 year old superstar they can sign to a max deal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Columbus would be a good target for a team who maybe wants a short cut to getting better but could be very bad. The Flames would be a decent gamble but we cant trade with ourselves. A trade like that could be huge though if you get some luck. Pretty much the only way the Flames are going to land and young star in the next few years. Most teams who will be in the bottom of the league are not trading their 1st unfortunately.

Pretty much any trade of a first round pick is lottery protected top some degree.

Even TB lottery protected theirs in trades to Chicago.

[Vinny01]

Julien with 5 mock Hanifin trades on the Athletic: https://theathletic.com/4619313/2023...shared_article

1. Buffalo:
Krebs+13 for Hanifin+16
Personally it is not enough unless Krebs is literally about to pop and become an everyday top 6 forward. Buffalo adds at least the 39th pick to this or perhaps the Flames swap 16 for the 48th pick

2. Dallas
Colin Miller, Christian Kyrou, 4th round pick for Hanifin
I hate this deal I am not sure where Kyrou is as a prospect however so maybe it is not as bad as it looks to me.

3. Florida
Duclair for Hanifin
Straight trash deal. Absolutely horrendous

4. Nashville
Tomasino, Parssinen, 15th pick for Hanifin and the 16th pick
Another trash deal. Makes sense if the Flames don’t include their own pick

5. Pittsburgh
Joseph, Smith, Granlund, 14 for Hanifin and 16
Another mediocre return.

These are some straight up brutal proposals in my opinion.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Take out our 1st and some of these are solid

[Toonage]

^^ Agreed.

Flames should not be moving their 1st

Hanifin is a top 4 D on a killer deal for the year and 26 years old. If he didn't want to leave Calgary, he'd a no brainer to sign long term. The Flames should not be handing him off just to move up 3 spots in the draft.

Is there some rule that if you cover the Flames for national media you have to hate or disrespect the team?

[Spurs]

Those deals are horrible, but I agree with the post above take out our 1st and the Buffalo and Nashville, more so the Buffalo deal, become much better.

The Florida, Dallas and Pittburgh deals are just garbage.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

Take out our 1st and some of these are solid

Agreed that is my beef with the deals. Any time we seem to be getting a 1st we are including our own. Is Krebs who played the 4th line in Buffalo last year so great that dealing Hanifin results in the Flames only moving up 3 spots in the draft? Hanifin has 86pts over his last 2 years and plays a top pairing role in all situations. He should be able to get Krebs+1st with maybe a small add from the Flames

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Julien with 5 mock Hanifin trades on the Athletic: https://theathletic.com/4619313/2023...shared_article

1. Buffalo:
Krebs+13 for Hanifin+16
Personally it is not enough unless Krebs is literally about to pop and become an everyday top 6 forward. Buffalo adds at least the 39th pick to this or perhaps the Flames swap 16 for the 48th pick

2. Dallas
Colin Miller, Christian Kyrou, 4th round pick for Hanifin
I hate this deal I am not sure where Kyrou is as a prospect however so maybe it is not as bad as it looks to me.

3. Florida
Duclair for Hanifin
Straight trash deal. Absolutely horrendous

4. Nashville
Tomasino, Parssinen, 15th pick for Hanifin and the 16th pick
Another trash deal. Makes sense if the Flames don’t include their own pick

5. Pittsburgh
Joseph, Smith, Granlund, 14 for Hanifin and 16
Another mediocre return.

These are some straight up brutal proposals in my opinion.

Those are painfully bad. We need new media.

[PeteMoss]

Did all these reporters just miss Provorov getting traded for a 1st and 2 2nds

TBF the Athletic Calgary work has gone in the tank in the past year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Those are painfully bad. We need new media.

He worked with beat writers from other teams and none seemed as generous as Portzline was with his Lindholm+2nd for the 3rd overall so maybe these other writers read the fallout from that and decided to try and fleece the Flames in these mock trades

[Ashasx]

I think all of those JMac trades or anything like it would be absolute whiffs by the Flames

Attempts to continue trying to win now while also trading your dollar for three quarters

[Jason14h]

Lazy writing for the most part including the 1sts like moving up 1 or 2 spots mid round d has any value

They just looked at who has the 3 picks before the Flames and made up trades to include the picks with the Flames pick

[Bonded]

Yeah, all those deals are tilted towards the other team. Krebs + 1st would be solid and I actually don't hate the Preds one either without the pick swap.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Julien with 5 mock Hanifin trades on the Athletic: https://theathletic.com/4619313/2023...shared_article


3. Florida
Duclair for Hanifin
Straight trash deal. Absolutely horrendous

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I was throwing this idea around, with Duclair as a base, for Hanifin. Just the fact that Duclair would have the Huberdeau connection and he is a on a sweetheart deal for another year. But yeah, this is pretty brutal as such, I was thinking about what the Panthers could add but they don't really have much. Only A level prospect is Samoskevitch and I think that would be too big of a piece.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I was throwing this idea around, with Duclair as a base, for Hanifin. Just the fact that Duclair would have the Huberdeau connection and he is a on a sweetheart deal for another year. But yeah, this is pretty brutal as such, I was thinking about what the Panthers could add but they don't really have much. Only A level prospect is Samoskevitch and I think that would be too big of a piece.

Duclair makes $3M next year and missed 62 games this last season. Other than the year before where he had 58pts he has only topped 40 one other time. Hanifin is far more proven and if they were making a swap with a Florida player it would likely be Reinhart who would come back in my opinion who has really sold numbers the last 2 years and also entering the last year of his deal.

Ultimately I don’t want a Reinhart or Nylander for Hanifin and think the Flames need to target young pieces or picks.

[bax]

Not to pile on, but The Athletic’s coverage of the Flames has been on a downhill trajectory for a long while now. I gave Julian a fair shake this season, but his reporting and stories just seem to do nothing for me.

Also, all 5 of those proposals are bogus. We aren’t using Hanifin as leverage to move up 2-3 spots in the middle of the first round, that is crazy and virtually provides us with no value for moving a 26 year old top pairing defenseman.

Could you imagine if Conroy’s first trade was to move Hanifin for a 28 year old UFA winger coming off a major surgery that doesn’t even score more than Hanifin?

[ResAlien]

I guess we know which market the athletic won’t continue covering. To be fair I don’t believe it would actually change the quality of their Flames coverage whatsoever

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Duclair makes $3M next year and missed 62 games this last season. Other than the year before where he had 58pts he has only topped 40 one other time. Hanifin is far more proven and if they were making a swap with a Florida player it would likely be Reinhart who would come back in my opinion who has really sold numbers the last 2 years and also entering the last year of his deal.

Ultimately I don’t want a Reinhart or Nylander for Hanifin and think the Flames need to target young pieces or picks.

I would do Reinhart for Hanifin (from Panthers POV). He's a good player but will get paid much more than Duclair and I don't think the difference is worth it. Duclair had the big injury but got better as the playoffs went and was good in general so I wouldn't mind the Panthers re-signing him.

Agree with the picks and prospects though, I would like to see the Flames go that route as well.