It shows both sides. It's partly systems, but partly that he just isn't good at somethings. Very skilled in some areas, but lacking in others. He's a highly specialized player. I think there are only few teams where he would put up his Florida type of numbers to be honest.
He would thrive in Montreal, I don't think they would take him though. Maybe if the return was Anderson and Gallagher. I also don't think Huberdeau would waive to play there, he spoke on that before and stated there would be too much pressure.
Who the eff cares whether Florida was any good last year? Jesus, enough already.
The point is that they didn’t seem to go very far under the system in which Huberdeau produced a ton of points. That is the point up for debate and seems like kind of an interesting topic.
But no, back to hating Tkachuk.
They had a far better record overall with the old system...they obviously didn't get the same playoff goaltending in those seasons because nobody ever has statistically.
It is totally on topic
How this do this year will show is if last season was a fluke or sustainable with their new players and style of play
making the playoffs with 92 points is a fluke though, no matter what style you play...nobody is making it with that total this season I can assure you.
they were a 92 point team...they got to the finals like Montreal did a couple years ago....and got pounded
You can pretend Zito is the smartest guy on the planet but it was a Pens win against the Hawks away from being a total disaster and you know it.
If they make the finals again I will take it all back...to me they are a mediocre team without a 1st for 3 seasons.
They were 17th overall, exactly the kind of record everyone around here complains about.
You guys always with the personal attacks because all the data supports me
they are average, all their numbers are average, they will have an average record again this season and probably next.
Their playoff and cup odds in Vegas are average
but its all my bad takes
Yes your takes about the Panthers are bad. And here's why: What if the Calgary Flames had won the President's trophy two years ago and went to the SC finals last year and had a core of Barkov (28), Verhaege (27), Reinhart (28), Tkachuk (25), Bennett (27) Ekblad (27), Montour (29) and Forsling (27)? I wonder what would you would be saying about them then? Oh wait a second, nevermind lol, I know exactly what you would be saying. You would be pumping their tires so ####ing hard that your pump would break. But because it's not the Flames but the Panthers your takes take a 180. That's why they are bad.
If the Flames made the playoffs with 92 points I would say they are lucky as ####
when they almost made it last year with 93 I said they were lucky as #### that the Jets even let them back in it
if you don't think the 17th overall team getting into the playoffs by one point is lucky IDK.
Calgary Stampeders are currently lucky as #### and I will be cheering for them to win the Grey Cup
yes I would take it and enjoy the ride...pump those Panther tires all you like, they aren't winning a championship
IMO
I boggles the mind that anyone who watched the Flames season last year can't admit that a team with a worse record was extremely fortunate to get in
it also boggles the mind how butthurt people on here get about the Panthers
all the oddsmakers have the same take on the Panthers, but no its just homer me who thinks they are mediocre +2200 for the cup
Point being as it relates to this thread I don't think they are playing some great system now they just got some breaks at the right time and some goaltending when it mattered. Much like the 04 Flames who weren't all that great either.
I think the difference is that Johnny & Chucky are more cycling/sustained offensive zone pressure type of players where Huby is more of a make plays off the rush type of player.
Calgary's dominant line suddenly struggled in games 2 thru 5 with the season on the line. Albeit, so did the Panthers vs Tampa. So it's not easy to just say one system is universally better than the other.
Gaudreau was a spectacular rush producer. That was his bread and butter almost to a fault. His game hit a new level once Darryl arrived and he and his line started to generate outside of just the rush. That’s when they became virtually unstoppable because the opposition couldn’t stop everything they brought to the table.
I think at some point, Huberdeau’s game has to evolve in the same way. Right now, he’s a great counter striker who thrives playing a free flowing game. He can quickly pounce on free space or turnovers and make heads up plays or find the trailer.
But he’s not great at dictating the pace of play right now. He almost needs the pace to be manufactured for him which I’ve alluded to in the past. Even Sutter said it last year saying Huberdeau needed to up his pace which is an odd thing for a veteran superstar to struggle with.
I mean heck, even Tkachuk being as slow as molasses doesn’t appear to have issues with NHL pacing because he owns that rare ability to dictate it.
Gaudreau was a spectacular rush producer. That was his bread and butter almost to a fault. His game hit a new level once Darryl arrived and he and his line started to generate outside of just the rush. That’s when they became virtually unstoppable because the opposition couldn’t stop everything they brought to the table.
The Oilers sure found a way to stop them, didn't they...
If it is obvious to everyone except the Flames that the problem with Huberdeau is the Flames system and coaching, then there should be teams lining up to buy low on him next off season when more teams have cap space, so that would be a good thing. I said it before, I would rather see Huberdeau score 100 points on another team than 50 points on the Flames.
I really doubt most other teams are buying it though, but here's hoping.
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no because 92 points isn't a good season...its stupid to think they weren't at least extremely lucky. If the Flames got in with 93 they would have been lucky too...are you suggesting the Flames deserved playoffs.
I have a gripe against former Flames who bail on the team that drafted and developed them and destroy the franchise because the weather is bad and the fans and media are too much...Its actually shocking that so many cheer for him.
How is 92 points not a good season? Low to mid 90’s historically gets you into the playoffs, are you actually arguing about 1 or 2 extra wins in an 82 game season, for a team changed coaches and pieces of their core? It’s trivial.
The only thing that matters is that you accumulate the top 8 most points in your conference. That means Florida absolutely deserved their playoff spot. They even went to the Stanley Cup finals, coming back and beating the record breaking 135 point Bruins along the way. If that doesn’t impress you, nothing will.
Lastly, Gaudreau and Tkachuk were awesome for us in their time representing the Flames. They put their blood, sweat, tears and talent on the line for our entertainment and I would never boo them. James Neal and others alike deserve more boos for how little they brought to this franchise.
I’d also rather boo the current and former management group who were in charge of making the calls and signing/not signing the contracts. They bungled things up and we’re starting to see just how poorly run this organization really is up at the top.
The Oilers sure found a way to stop them, didn't they...
Yeah, bad stretches of hockey happens. Doesn’t take away from their great performances in 2021 and all of 21-22. Would’ve been nice to see what they could’ve accomplished together from 2019 onwards. This line was first assembled back in the Bill Peters era for a short stint and we didn’t see them together again until Sutter arrived. That’s 3 potential years and 3 potential playoff runs we missed out on for whatever the reason was.
If it is obvious to everyone except the Flames that the problem with Huberdeau is the Flames system and coaching, then there should be teams lining up to buy low on him next off season when more teams have cap space, so that would be a good thing. I said it before, I would rather see Huberdeau score 100 points on another team than 50 points on the Flames.
I really doubt most other teams are buying it though, but here's hoping.
I say we keep our ####ty system so we can be sure that Huberdeau sucks. The current system has the added benefit of being super entertaining hockey. You don’t have to worry too much about rush chances from the Flames, you can expect some decent saves as a result of the rush chances that the other teams get and you can marvel at the entertainment that is a solid download cycle.
Not sure if this has been posted already but this guy's take is accurate.
This guy is basically reading the Sportsnet article and has even spliced some of the video clips in as well. It's like he's not even trying to hide the blatant rip-off.
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How is 92 points not a good season? Low to mid 90’s historically gets you into the playoffs, are you actually arguing about 1 or 2 extra wins in an 82 game season, for a team changed coaches and pieces of their core? It’s trivial.
The only thing that matters is that you accumulate the top 8 most points in your conference. That means Florida absolutely deserved their playoff spot. They even went to the Stanley Cup finals, coming back and beating the record breaking 135 point Bruins along the way. If that doesn’t impress you, nothing will.
Lastly, Gaudreau and Tkachuk were awesome for us in their time representing the Flames. They put their blood, sweat, tears and talent on the line for our entertainment and I would never boo them. James Neal and others alike deserve more boos for how little they brought to this franchise.
I’d also rather boo the current and former management group who were in charge of making the calls and signing/not signing the contracts. They bungled things up and we’re starting to see just how poorly run this organization really is up at the top.
Low 90s often isnt enough since loser points...like are you even serious the Flames had 93 and their season was brutal. They were 17th place, that is not a good season!
Panthers have 5 wins in 10 games yet you guys are all up my ass for calling them average. They have mid pack cup odds
If it is obvious to everyone except the Flames that the problem with Huberdeau is the Flames system and coaching, then there should be teams lining up to buy low on him next off season when more teams have cap space, so that would be a good thing. I said it before, I would rather see Huberdeau score 100 points on another team than 50 points on the Flames.
I really doubt most other teams are buying it though, but here's hoping.
Buy low?
I doubt any team thinks they’ll see more than an 80 point Hubby again. At $10.5MM, you’d still need significant extras to trade him. Plus, there is still risk he might not rebound.
Low 90s often isnt enough since loser points...like are you even serious the Flames had 93 and their season was brutal. They were 17th place, that is not a good season!
Panthers have 5 wins in 10 games yet you guys are all up my ass for calling them average. They have mid pack cup odds
It’s 10 games, and they are 13th in win % in the NHL.
Average this year in a small sample size.
It does not mean they are average team, let’s see more games and their injured players back.
If Huberdeau was the only one suffering, why isn't everyone else scoring? Flames have 13 even strength goals, nicely tying them for 6th worst in the league and they're the 5th lowest scoring team in general.
That's not all on Huberdeau.
Yeah. If those issues are affecting Huberdeau, surely they're also affecting any other Flame looking to make a good pass.
Its hilarious all the people trying to channel their inner Rainman to figure out what’s wrong with this guy when it only comes down his own head still being up his own rearend. He won’t turn it around until he pulls it out. I don’t care what style of player you are if your not excelling at fundamentals like quickness on pucks, winning small area puck battles and will to compete you will be below average player in any league. Look at Lindholm right now, he is suffering the same ailment at the moment. Like go out there and excel in those areas and if you’re elite the other skills you have will come through. If you can’t then you’re not elite no matter what your history say and then I guess we’re still stuck with the Wish version of RNH
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Its hilarious all the people trying to channel their inner Rainman to figure out what’s wrong with this guy when it only comes down his own head still being up his own rearend. He won’t turn it around until he pulls it out. I don’t care what style of player you are if your not excelling at fundamentals like quickness on pucks, winning small area puck battles and will to compete you will be below average player in any league. Look at Lindholm right now, he is suffering the same ailment at the moment. Like go out there and excel in those areas and if you’re elite the other skills you have will come through. If you can’t then you’re not elite no matter what your history say and then I guess we’re still stuck with the Wish version of RNH
This is a great post. When things aren't going well, basics.
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