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GioforPM · 07-19-2022, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Would Chucky want to sign in NYI without Barzal? That’s an ugly angle in all of this. We only maximize the return if Chucky is signing where we trade him.

Well, some teams may think they can sign him, even if he doesn't. But NYI are a little old of a team for Tkachuk.

Devils are a better bet. They lost out on Gaudreau and might want to make a move. They have unsigned Bratt, who may like the idea of Lindholm/Markstrom/Andersson/Kylington/Backlund as teammates. Also prospects like Holtz (also a Swede)

Flamesfan05 · 07-19-2022, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Barzal is only one season away from being in the same position Tkachuk is now (RFA with a high QO who could easily accept it walk the following year). If you trade Tkachuk for Barzal, you are just pushing off the problem until next year.

Any additional time is welcome

SuperMatt18 · 07-19-2022, 02:53 PM

Thing with Tkachuk is that even though his playoff numbers haven't been great, is that other GMs will see his style of play as being "Playoff Peformer"

Unlike Gaudreau who will always be labeled small/soft even if his play in the playoffs was better this year.

Lots of teams will see him as the guy to push them over the edge. I think a team like the Leafs could potentially really overpay too.

flames_fan_down_under · 07-19-2022, 02:54 PM

Neat off season.

CliffFletcher · 07-19-2022, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549454854744989697

This is the problem. We probably aren’t look at a 6 or 7 team bidding war. More like two or three. And those two or three teams will know they have leverage.

Erick Estrada · 07-19-2022, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

From an outsider's perspective Tkachuk, like Gaudreau, will likely never win in the play-offs. If you can rebuild in a year or two off the assets you get for him you do it.

To be fair people said that about Kessel and O'Reilly who not only won in the playoffs but won the Conn Smythe. I think a team can win a cup with either of those players but it's a matter of timing and the right roster. Too many people think that players win the cup. Teams win the cup.

Infinit47 · 07-19-2022, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Barzal is only one season away from being in the same position Tkachuk is now (RFA with a high QO who could easily accept it walk the following year). If you trade Tkachuk for Barzal, you are just pushing off the problem until next year.

Unless you speak with Barzal and he is willing to extend in Calgary.

camm13 · 07-19-2022, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Would Chucky want to sign in NYI without Barzal? That’s an ugly angle in all of this. We only maximize the return if Chucky is signing where we trade him.

Yeah or course he would have to want to sign there. I just don't think Tkachuk is as limited as to where he wants to go like Gaudreau was. Barzal is one of their best players no doubt, but isles still have a decent base of players Nelson (37G), Dobson (61pts), Lee (28G), Bailey, JPG.

_Q_ · 07-19-2022, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Barzal is only one season away from being in the same position Tkachuk is now (RFA with a high QO who could easily accept it walk the following year). If you trade Tkachuk for Barzal, you are just pushing off the problem until next year.

Barzal is from BC, so you would hope that being close to home might persuade him to sign here long term.

flamesrule_kipper34 · 07-19-2022, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is the problem. We probably aren’t look at a 6 or 7 team bidding war. More like two or three. And those two or three teams will know they have leverage.

I know this will be unpopular but it we aren't netting a good haul then we should call Chucky's bluff. Take the 1-year arb and evaluate the trade market this season up until deadline.

Lanny_McDonald · 07-19-2022, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, some teams may think they can sign him, even if he doesn't. But NYI are a little old of a team for Tkachuk.

Devils are a better bet. They lost out on Gaudreau and might want to make a move. They have unsigned Bratt, who may like the idea of Lindholm/Markstrom/Andersson/Kylington/Backlund as teammates. Also prospects like Holtz (also a Swede)

Bratt and Holtz for Tkachuk and... ? Gotta sweeten it somehow.

GioforPM · 07-19-2022, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CSharp

An eastern conference team that is making a move to challenge the Lightnings might make that move and it won't be hard to get Markstrom to waive the NMC if that team is a Cup contender. Who knows, CBJ or Boston Bruins might be that team.

CBJ maybe, if only in 3 years. Boston isn't a contender IMO. CBJ does know what Tkachuk and Gaudreau can do together.

I'd want Roslovic++. They aren't giving up Johnson or Sillinger. Maybe Bean comes home and they give another pick and/or prospect

Muta · 07-19-2022, 02:57 PM

####ing embarrassing if we lose our two top players within weeks of each other.

dammage79 · 07-19-2022, 02:58 PM

Holtz and Bratt definitely stem the bleeding if...IF the Flames could land them in a chucky trade.

Ashasx · 07-19-2022, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

####ing embarrassing if we lose our two top players within weeks of each other.

More embarrassing to lose them for nothing. Let's ensure that doesn't happen.

Erick Estrada · 07-19-2022, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

I know this will be unpopular but it we aren't netting a good haul then we should call Chucky's bluff. Take the 1-year arb and evaluate the trade market this season up until deadline.

Too risky. What if he struggles without Gaudreau or suffers a major injury during the season? Right now is as high as they can sell him.

GioforPM · 07-19-2022, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Bratt and Holtz for Tkachuk and... ? Gotta sweeten it somehow.

Contract status is a problem, albeit on both sides. But NJD has assets to burn. Give us Bratt and a first. Maybe more picks conditional on Bratt signing.

camm13 · 07-19-2022, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Barzal is only one season away from being in the same position Tkachuk is now (RFA with a high QO who could easily accept it walk the following year). If you trade Tkachuk for Barzal, you are just pushing off the problem until next year.

Both sides would of course only do the trade if there's a commitment by both players on their new teams.

Scroopy Noopers · 07-19-2022, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is the problem. We probably aren’t look at a 6 or 7 team bidding war. More like two or three. And those two or three teams will know they have leverage.

Yeah but they don’t have leverage over each other. You either want him or you don’t care if your division rival gets him.

Gaudreau just had two teams offer him top dollar from a maximum list of 3. Markstrom said he wanted to play in western Canada and all 3 teams offered him term and top money.

This scenario is indeed rare, he’s a really young RFA who is offensively gifted. Teams who want him aren’t going to gamble with the Flames, knowing their direct competitors are making a pitch.

flamesrule_kipper34 · 07-19-2022, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Too risky. What if he struggles without Gaudreau or suffers a major injury during the season?

It goes both ways. That'll also impact his ability to maximize his $.

Again the bluff should go both ways. Does he want to do a "bet on me" year without JG, with that risk?

We need to take some leverage back here as well. So if teams are circling over us like vultures then take the arb and evaluate across the season.