[PGT] Flames lose in OT: Season Over

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

In a lot of ways last night was the end of an era for me. I was absolutely consumed by these playoffs and while I am disappointed to have to flip the page now I am ready to do it. For the last 3.5 weeks I have been drinking every other day. I spend too much time on here and online listening to pre/post game news. Going to all the games spending a lot of money on tickets, drinks, food. Abandoning my workout routine because I am hung over and tired. In that way I am ready to get back to life as normal.

I am done as a season ticket holder. I will still attend a few games next year but can’t make it to the 20+ I was at this year when combining playoffs and regular season. This summer will be interesting for the team. I won’t be watching hockey for the rest of the year. Hope the Oilers lose asap.

Excited to chat about the direction of this team going forward. I am ready for anything but really hope we can find a way to keep Johnny

Agree with you as well. Layer on the arena debate, I’m tired and frustrated. I can’t see renewing my season tickets either. Sad because as a family we have had tix since the team moved from Atlanta. I remember going to those first games with my dad at the old Corral. Unfortunately I never had kids of my own so am not able to share the same experience with the next gen.

[Neeper]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

I think it was Gaudreau. The puck was 2' away from him and instead of grabbing the puck and risking a little body contact he turns the other way to cover the guy on the blueline. Leaving the dirty work for someone else. If Johnny took 2 strides toward the puck instead of backing away from a charging Draisaitl the goal never happens. Simply not willing to sacrifice his body to win a game.

He is great in the regular season and not sure where the Flames would be without him. But you can not win in the playoffs when your best player is not willing to lay it all on the line.

This is how I saw it as well.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well I get CBC for free so I might check in when they are getting pounded...Sportsnet is cancelled/pirated from now on

I've been doing that since 2020

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[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I looked this up after the game.

There are certain infractions that aren't covered by Coaches Challenge that can be initiated by NHL Head Office at any time of the game.

Kicking motion falls under that category.

Still don't think it was conclusive evidence to overturn a call on the ice, but it is what it is.

Thanks man.

Can you direct me to that?

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[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I guess Gaudreau will finally talk about his contract status on garbage bag day.

Doubt it he will just say he loves Calgary and hopes negotiations go well

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Dude that series winning goal is on Hanifin and Markstrom.

I don’t agree with your take at all. Johnny had a great playoffs.

I think Johnny just guessed wrong as to where Draisaitl (who was being checked by Hanifin) would move the puck. He guessed point and moved that direction. Of course, maybe if he sees McDavid he knows that's always where Draisaitl will pass.

Hard to blame Markstrom on a quick pass to the best offensive talent in the game right in the slot. I have no clue what Hanifin was doing there.

[JohnnyB]

Johnny showed up in these playoffs. He scored 14 points, including a game 7 OT winner and a tying goal in an elimination game. He scored at a 1.17 ppg pace. He's one point behind Kucherov.

Johnny was doing his part.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

I think it was Gaudreau. The puck was 2' away from him and instead of grabbing the puck and risking a little body contact he turns the other way to cover the guy on the blueline. Leaving the dirty work for someone else. If Johnny took 2 strides toward the puck instead of backing away from a charging Draisaitl the goal never happens. Simply not willing to sacrifice his body to win a game.

He is great in the regular season and not sure where the Flames would be without him. But you can not win in the playoffs when your best player is not willing to lay it all on the line.

i am going to look at the replay again and watch for that.

[Young Guns]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

How do you explain Noah Hanifin giving that puck away?

That goal is on Hanifin, and quite frankly a lot of the goals against in this series are results of Hanifin and Markstrom not doing their jobs well.

I think in this series we saw three of the biggest choke jobs in Flames history. Andersson, Hanifin, and Markstrom were absolutely terrible this series.

Agree with most of this, as soft as the pass was, Hanifin tried to pass the puck to Johnny around the boards. Gaudreau decided it was to scary to go retrieve the puck.

[Gaskal]

It was a really fun season that culminated in a disappointing 5-and-out. At least the boys got valuable playoff experience but good lord it just feels like a gut punch to have untimely bad goaltending and officiating to offer such brutal momentum swings the other way in the process. Time is a flat circle.

As angry as I am about the disallowed goal we'd probably lose in 6 unless the top pairing magically get their heads screwed on right when they haven't been this way all series. The older vet defencemen had their WTF moments but for the most part weren't making mistakes nearly egregious as Rasmus and Noah (and at times Oliver). Just from my brief memory over the last week and a half they had their heads completely up their rears for the better parts of all 5 games.

[Manhattanboy]

What happened to djsFlames?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can't recall very many big saves for Smith and certainly not as many as Markstrom had. Smith wasn't tested much at all. All goalie stats lack significant context. They are all based on area of shot, and not screens, deflections, bounces off feet to open men, etc.

I'm not just focusing on Andersson's goal. The Gaudreau goal last night went under a pad far side. That goal was weak. Coleman's goal was going to be a weak goal bad angle goal by Backlund. Smith was bad.

High danger chanceslast night were even, scoring chances were even. Markstrom let in one more goal than Smith (if you don't count the obvious goal that was called back).

If McDavid scored on the play driving the net like Backlund (leading to Coleman goal) people would be singing praises of how great it was and how unstoppable it was as he cut to the net and elevated the puck.

The numbers clearly show that Mike Smith made more hard saves than Markstrom over these playoffs. He had some epic gaffes, but so did Markstrom.

There is no universe in which an .852 save percentage is acceptable.

Markstrom wasn't the only problem for sure, but it wasn't hard to see how differently the Flames played after he completely melted down in game 1. If you want to talk about bad goals that is the game if his to look at. No pressure with a huge lead and he could keep his glove up.

He looked beyond rattled and times and I think that is what shook the mentally weak rest of the team.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

What happened to djsFlames?

Still compiling the WOS.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

Thanks man.

Can you direct me to that?

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Rule 37.

Specifically 37.3 and 37.4 for this scenario.

https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/a...-file/file.pdf

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

There was a kicking motion. Puck was going in, I don’t think Coleman saw the puck, but rules are rules.

Also one thing I learned from the 80’s is you don’t blow the team up because you lost to the oilers (who won’t go pst the next round). Stay the course. We should have done that before we traded away/ran out of town MacInnis Roberts and Vernon etc etc in the 90’s.

That was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever had IMO.

MacInnis and Roberts left because the team couldn't afford them, Vernon was traded.

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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

High danger chanceslast night were even, scoring chances were even. Markstrom let in one more goal than Smith (if you don't count the obvious goal that was called back).

If McDavid scored on the play driving the net like Backlund (leading to Coleman goal) people would be singing praises of how great it was and how unstoppable it was as he cut to the net and elevated the puck.

The numbers clearly show that Mike Smith made more hard saves than Markstrom over these playoffs. He had some epic gaffes, but so did Markstrom.

There is no universe in which an .852 save percentage is acceptable.

Markstrom wasn't the only problem for sure, but it wasn't hard to see how differently the Flames played after he completely melted down in game 1. If you want to talk about bad goals that is the game if his to look at. No pressure with a huge lead and he could keep his glove up.

He looked beyond rattled and times and I think that is what shook the mentally weak rest of the team.

Yeah there were games where you could say the team let Markstrom down...I don't think last night was one of them.

Goals 1, 2, and 5 are all savable.

Goal 4 is savable too but it was deflected off a skate and the post, but he's still small in his net.

Really only goal 3 (PP Goal) was the only one he had no chance on last night.

You aren't going to win many games when your goalie is putting up a .850 save percentage night after night.

It was said by somebody else but even if Markstrom put up a .900 save percentage (Still below average) he would have allowed 8 fewer goals in the series.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Sure, but that had a lot to do with the fan base wanting to move on. Same as Gilmour. I recall newspaper articles on Vernon’s parent being appalled at the things being said about him while he was a Flame during a game.



My point being, yeah it’s Edmonton. But don’t get emotional. Who cares. Stay the course.

Fans were up in arms when Gilmour was traded, and those that did want him gone due to the holdout issues weren't happy with the return.

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[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

same ####ing net as 2004 and Bennett in 2015

The Saddledome is built on an ancient burial ground and that net position is above a very import person’s grave. Jimmy Hoffa.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah there were games where you could say the team let Markstrom down...I don't think last night was one of them.\

Yep more often than not they were trying to outscore his #### ups.

Game 1 he was crap
Game 2 he was ok but couldn't make important saves
Game 3 he was good
Game 4 he was crap
Game 5 he was ok but couldn't make important saves

So if BOTH your defence and goalie didn't bother to put their best skate forward, the team then need to outscore those problems, and the Flames didn't have the horses to do this.

[flambers]

For my perspective, never felt the Flames were very good within the playoffs.

Stars series was difficult to watch and it could of easily went the other way.

Oilers series, Edmonton were by far the better team....

Calgary seemed to lack defensive awareness and looked like they were running around...

Edmonton had chance after chance....

Flames top line were not very good within the playoffs.... take away the 1st game against Edmonton which looked like a preseason game... and its a tough series.

Backlund's line were the best forwards within the Flames, I thought they played extremely well....

Markstrom my best guess played too many minutes during the season and was not sharp.

It will be an interesting summer, as I am still convinced that the top players within Flames just seem to struggle in the playoffs

Of course Tavev is the Flames mvp