[News] Monahan knows what's on the line this season: 'I have a lot to prove'

[CliffFletcher]

Monahan isn’t productive enough to centre a scoring line. And he isn’t fast or tough enough to play against to centre a checking line.

If the Flames don’t want their 3rd/4th line to be a vulnerability in the playoffs, they need to upgrade. They probably can’t bring in a #3/4 C who would be better offensively, but they should be able to find someone who would be better defensively, who Sutter wouldn’t be afraid to match up against a scoring line.

[Vinny01]

With one year left on his deal we have to hope a team would consider taking him back in a trade where they can put him in a top line role and hopefully rebuild some value to flip again as a rental next year. Arizona, or Seattle make sense to me. Seattle specifically because they don’t have much in the system and can give Monahan some decent minutes.

Monahan + pick + prospect for Jarnkrok would be ideal for the Flames short and long term goals

[djsFlames]

Seattle would have the ability to take him on.

Wonder if we could entice them with an asset.

I was impressed with Jarnkrok, I think he would be a perfect fit.

[Sylvanfan]

I think Johansson from Seattle would cost less to get, and might fit just as well as Jarnkrok on this team.

Anyone they (Krakken) trade this year will go for picks/prospects, and they'll want as much cap flexibility for next year as they can get, so they can get more picks when teams look to peddle their Monahan's on them in the summer. Many think Francis is an idiot, but he can collect picks, and be a cheap ass like he was in Carolina which will set the team up reasonably well. Eventually they'll bring in someone 4 years down the road to convert all that currency into on ice results like the Canes did. Problem for Francis was that rather than give himself a good asset base to work with from the start...he tried to replicate what he started with in Carolina with his expansion draft.

[CliffFletcher]

For whatever reason, the Kraken don’t seem to have any interest in exploiting their cap space.

[djsFlames]

A number of players out there would be an upgrade.

Ideally you'd want a versatile player who could move up in the case of an injury.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

For whatever reason, the Kraken don’t seem to have any interest in exploiting their cap space.

They may not have seen much value in doing it last year. With them being added the league essentially added like 60 million in new cap space. It was 23 new players, but mostly replacement level guys making about a million a year are the new jobs that they created. So it also created about 60 million in cap space for other teams to offload a contract and re-allocate their resources. So that money has essentially been spent now, so I do think this summer there could be a better market for teams who can absorb a contract. Especially if the Covid Uncertainty progressively continues to resolve itself and more teams plan to get back to business as usual.

Will be interesting so see what the Flames do. If they can get thru next year, and they have Mangiapane, Gaudreau, Tkachuck, and Kylington on the team still while shedding Monahan and Lucic's deals they could be positioned nicely.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

With one year left on his deal we have to hope a team would consider taking him back in a trade where they can put him in a top line role and hopefully rebuild some value to flip again as a rental next year. Arizona, or Seattle make sense to me. Seattle specifically because they don’t have much in the system and can give Monahan some decent minutes.

Monahan + pick + prospect for Jarnkrok would be ideal for the Flames short and long term goals

Since the value for Jarnrok is likely a 2nd round pick, and taking on Monny's salary for next year would cost, that pick/prospect would not come cheap.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Since the value for Jarnrok is likely a 2nd round pick, and taking on Monny's salary for next year would cost, that pick/prospect would not come cheap.

One thing we can consider is the corpse of Duncan Keith was moved at full cap hit for 2 years and brought back an asset.

Sean Monahan is going to be 28 next year and has had a really successful career to date. Some injuries and not fitting with the coaches style have put him in a negative territory but I am not convinced it is as bad as you think.

A fresh start and low risk acquisition is not going to cost the Flames a top prospect I wouldn’t think.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Since the value for Jarnrok is likely a 2nd round pick, and taking on Monny's salary for next year would cost, that pick/prospect would not come cheap.

Maybe. A double retention deal might work. Though I don’t value Jarnkrok like that. I think this site looks at him more favourably because he’s been talked about all year.

Should keep in mind that while Calgary has two seconds, they have no first, third or fourth round picks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

One thing we can consider is the corpse of Duncan Keith was moved at full cap hit for 2 years and brought back an asset.

Sean Monahan is going to be 28 next year and has had a really successful career to date. Some injuries and not fitting with the coaches style have put him in a negative territory but I am not convinced it is as bad as you think.

A fresh start and low risk acquisition is not going to cost the Flames a top prospect I wouldn’t think.

I tend to agree he’s not as bad as the hyperbole. The critical error leading to a goal has magnified it a bit. But most of the time while he’s not producing, there aren’t a lot of gaffes either. It’s low event hockey (maybe no event hockey a lot of the time) and he still looks ok on the second unit and can win a faceoff. There’s always someone who thinks he will turn around on their team. Look at the number of people that want the shell of Phil Kessel here.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Monahan + pick + prospect for Jarnkrok would be ideal for the Flames short and long term goals

Would Mony + 2nd + 5th get it done? It would be unfortunate if it took a 2nd and a quality prospect (or both 2nds) to get the deal done.

Any other guys out there who could be brought in without costing much and could fill either the #3C or the #4C checking role reasonably well?

Or does the team stand pat and hope that either Monahan or Richardson can fill the #4C spot without being a liability in the playoffs? Do they consider giving Dube or even Phillips a shot at it?

Difficult decisions to be made in the days ahead.

[GreenLantern2814]

Ruzicka has looked like he had it in him to be better than Monahan since he was recalled - the last two games, he appears to have stolen Monahan’s job.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Ruzicka has looked like he had it in him to be better than Monahan since he was recalled - the last three games, he appears to have stolen Monahan’s job.

Fact check - he was only unbenched two games ago. The last game before that was the Vancouver debacle.

I’m not holding my breath for Sutter to award him a permanent spot on 3C or even 4C.

[Moneyhands23]

All these Monahan trade proposals. I highly doubt Monahan waives his No trade to go to Seattle or Arizona

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Would Mony + 2nd + 5th get it done? It would be unfortunate if it took a 2nd and a quality prospect (or both 2nds) to get the deal done.

Any other guys out there who could be brought in without costing much and could fill either the #3C or the #4C checking role reasonably well?

Or does the team stand pat and hope that either Monahan or Richardson can fill the #4C spot without being a liability in the playoffs? Do they consider giving Dube or even Phillips a shot at it?

Difficult decisions to be made in the days ahead.

I am not sure what Francis is looking at but I feel like a 5th to take Monahan back is fairly optimistic. I interpreted the 5th in the Toffoli deal was to take pending UFA Pitlick back in the deal.

I am not sure what the price would be but if the Flames can make that deal it helps them in the short term with the upgrade in player but clearly that 6.375M for next year makes signing all our free agents seen possible.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

All these Monahan trade proposals. I highly doubt Monahan waives his No trade to go to Seattle or Arizona

I think its more likely that Monahan might be a candidate for a buyout during the summer

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

All these Monahan trade proposals. I highly doubt Monahan waives his No trade to go to Seattle or Arizona

They have to be on the list to start with, and then why not? Especially off season when there’s no cup chances involved.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Fact check - he was only unbenched two games ago. The last game before that was the Vancouver debacle.

I’m not holding my breath for Sutter to award him a permanent spot on 3C or even 4C.

Two games, then - point is, he was noticeable.

He moves well, he’s in good position in his own zone, and he plays with a stick that’s not made for someone six inches shorter. He’s not without skill.

9 points in 21 games, +6 and strong possession numbers while playing mostly with Richardson, Lewis, Ritchie or Lucic.

Monahan has 22 points in 56 games, -15, with prime unchallenged PP time prior to Toffoli’s arrival.

Ruzicka has 28 games to cement his status. Darryl won’t just hand him the job, but Adam won’t ever get a better chance to win it.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am not sure what Francis is looking at but I feel like a 5th to take Monahan back is fairly optimistic. I interpreted the 5th in the Toffoli deal was to take pending UFA Pitlick back in the deal.

I am not sure what the price would be but if the Flames can make that deal it helps them in the short term with the upgrade in player but clearly that 6.375M for next year makes signing all our free agents seen possible.

Maybe Mony + both 2nds for Jarnkrok + a 4th or something is a deal that could work for both sides.

Originally Posted by flambers

I think its more likely that Monahan might be a candidate for a buyout during the summer

I'm hoping they don't go that route, as it would still result in a $2M cap hit for next year and the year after. Those $2M could be the difference between signing all 4 FAs vs losing one of them.