I guess I just thought that last episode seemed like a season ender. Sounds like there's one tomorrow and one next Sunday.
Also, you know how it gives that 'this program may contain nudity' blurb at the beginning? Hopefully we see some tits soon.
Voq / Ash Tyler had a flashback of sex with L'Rell. It's a shot from above and behind her, looking down. That may be enough for the warning, not that I paused and checked that scene out a second time
I'm not exactly a Trekkie, but I really like the series so far. I didn't notice the chemistry issues that others have mentioned (cast chemistry is one of the things I'm often hypercritical of), and I thought the Michael/Ash relationship was great. Acting overall is very good.
My main complaint is how they've handled Lorca.
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Voq / Ash Tyler had a flashback of sex with L'Rell. It's a shot from above and behind her, looking down. That may be enough for the warning, not that I paused and checked that scene out a second time
Klingon side boob . . . not that hot.
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I guess I just thought that last episode seemed like a season ender. Sounds like there's one tomorrow and one next Sunday.
Also, you know how it gives that 'this program may contain nudity' blurb at the beginning? Hopefully we see some tits soon.
It would’ve worked as a season finale, very true. There’s some speculation that it originally was as CBS ordered an additional two episodes late in the game.
Glad you’re enjoying it though, it’s definitely been divisive with the fan base. I really like it too. But then I don’t mind “Into Darkness” either and everyone seems to hate it with passion.
Doesn’t most of the Discovery crew know that that is the Emperor and not Capt. Georgiou? Kind of weird to lie about that, and for the bridge crew to look so excited. Presuming that wasn’t just informing the crew that this is the story they are sticking to about Georgiou’s return”.
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Only Saru and Michael saw her beamed aboard and the transporter chief who was sworn to secrecy.
So my thoughts on this. This episode ended with another mind numbing attempt at a twist that just shows that to get to be a senior ranking in Star Fleet you have to be blindingly gullible and stupid.
In order to enjoy this series if you're a star trek fan, you have to literally turn off your mind.
The technology doesn't fit with the time line
The decisions that are being made are bizarre
They're going to have to undo a lot in order to make this thing work in the prime universe.
The writers had an option to follow in order to get rid of the spore drive which doesn't exist in the future, instead they've made it the ultimate fix all as they can use it to warp into the middle of the planet and map caverns. Oh and they can grow a new crop of spores in about an hour so the whole, OMH we're out of spores, that's irrelevant.
Oh and the best part of the episode is that they got through the whole Empress eats Saru's kind as she threw that out in about 2 seconds, oh and the Empress comes barging onto the Discovery demanding people kneel to her and worship her, which means that she literally didn't listen to the stuff she was saying about the Federation in previous episodes.
I really thought that the idea of bringing them back to the Prime Universe at this point was to focus on the Klingons as the ultimate threat and big bad, but instead the ultimate big bad really feels like the Empress, but more on that later.
They spent a inordinate amount of time on Tyler, and to me it made absolutely no sense, is Voq dead or isn't he? Is Tyler a Klingon or isn't he? In the ultimate brilliance of this writing crew its a resounding yes and no.
Let me put it this way, if Tyler killed the doctor and tried to kill Michael as Voq then why spend time making him feel guilty about it. But if he killed the doctor as a voluntary aspect of Voq why isn't he in the brig?
And why is Michael basically breaking his balls in a all too long heart to heart discussion about their relationship if the man she loved was Voq or Tyler or its all too confusing.
On top of that they're going to the Klingon home world to map Kronos for a strike later, but they've got the Empress playing dress up. Which brings up the question.
Why do they need her to do this is Stamets with the miraculous growth of spores can not only do the jump with his eyes closed but find a safe cavern. Again this is just nonsensical writing, because the next obvious twist from a writing crew that seems to depend on twists way too much is that the Empress/George is going to pull the trigger on a genocidal act to break the Klingon war effort because the Federation high command is desperate and are now going down the path of being just as evil as the Emperor.
Come on you all see that coming right? Its going to be the reverse mutiny from the first episode where George orders the Discovery to fire and Michael is going to resist.
Really the failure of this series isn't in the actors, for the most part except for Michelle Yeoh, these poor sods are probably getting the script and rolling their eyes and then acting their hearts out. Its not the effects, after last weeks over CGI fest, the effects looked good in this episode because they were limited. Its the hackneyed writing that basically screams, don't think about this too much, but wait, because twist.
The last 10 minutes of this episode just made a mess out of this whole thing, but the overwhelming premise throughout the whole thing has made this impossible.
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So George telling Sarek that Michael's plan wasn't enough to stop the Klingons gives away the next story line, is the Federation willing to commit genocide to survive? Yes, but is the crew? Its a twist.
Detmer got two lines this week, its the acceleration of her story line, maybe she'll get three next week.
The Spore drive is rapidly becoming the Keeanu Reeves device of this series, is there anything it can't do, and now it can be replenished in hours.
Stamets and Tyler's exchange was just so stupid. Tyler should have snapped his neck and said "I ain't Voq, I didn't kill your boyfriend"
The Admiral making George the Captain, come on man, why is that needed unless she's giving command to someone that's willing to destroy a planet.
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you definitely need to put aside canon and look at this show as its own entity... it would be presumably the same thing one needed to due with the JJ Abrahms movies too, as they didn't follow canon either.
My take: Making Georgiou captain was part of the bargaining chip... she didn't have to help them unless she got what she wanted... and Admiral was ok with that because they are losing the war... she accepted Lorca's methods because they worked. I don't think its that out of line for her to see Georgiou under the lens of the "enemy of my enemy is my friend".
you definitely need to put aside canon and look at this show as its own entity... it would be presumably the same thing one needed to due with the JJ Abrahms movies too, as they didn't follow canon either.
And that would work if the writers and creators hadn't firmly placed this in the Prime OS universe. If they had placed this in the Abrams verse or some other verse of their own it would have worked.
Instead they're going to have to basically undo a lot of what they've written about to make this thing fit.
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My take: Making Georgiou captain was part of the bargaining chip... she didn't have to help them unless she got what she wanted... and Admiral was ok with that because they are losing the war... she accepted Lorca's methods because they worked. I don't think its that out of line for her to see Georgiou under the lens of the "enemy of my enemy is my friend".
So I had problems with anyone thinking that putting a homicidal maniac in charge of anything. If the federation is now an ends justify the means it goes against the logic of the founding of the federation, and also against all logic from a Vulcan perspective.
Spoiler!
The only thing that's going to happen is George going completely nuts with the sanctioning of the Federation command, that was hinted at during the conversation between her and Sarek.
What they're basically setting up is the whole story line where they looked into the mirror and the main enemy was staring back at us.
This series is at time like the engine of a badly made russian car where the parts don't fit together and the design just has no logic
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I don’t really mind the conflict / ambiguity of Ash / Voq. Regardless of how much Voq was in control of things, it was still Tyler’s physical body killing the doctor and trying to kill Michael. I think that would take some getting over. Not to mention that the “Tyler” they thought they knew might not be this Tyler. So who really knows who this guy is. Was Michael actually falling in love with new Tyler or somebody else in his head.
I thought the bridge crew, besides Saru and Michael, knew that the Emperor was the mirror Georgiou?
I found this episode to be disappointing. The Burnham/Tyler relationship has always felt a little wooden even though I think both actors are great. Together they remind me of a bad soap opera.
I think the Tyler character does a great job of portraying what it must be like living with PTSD. There was so much time spent on that character this episode he must have a large role in the second season.
Georgiou makes one bad-ass MU character. Appointing her captain was... interesting, I guess. If MU Lorca can kick Klingon butt I suppose they figure she will too... but its the ends justifying the means at a time of desperation. Its very unclear what the crew knows about her. Detmer always pops a wry smile when taking orders from any captain and did so again at the end of this episode... so they either don't know or think she's the right captain for the job regardless.
The story arc needs to be resolved and move on to something else. So many liberties have been taken with the story telling. Major swings in circumstances are glossed over. Stamets is near death and next episode is fully recovered. The spore network is dead but regenerates in minutes. Saru is a wimp and suddenly becomes a leader. The war is lost but not really. Lorca is brilliant and then he's a fool.
And wrapping this season up, what a waste of time all of that early Klingon stuff was. Subtitles, shallow political intrigue, it was overdone and didn't pay off. They could have halved the time spent on that.
That's the bad. The season overall has been exciting and fast paced. Some of the episodes had me on the edge of my seat. The Lorca character, save his final episode, has become my favourite anti-hero. And of course the Admiral has to make the express point PU Lorca is dead, which suggests he'll be back next season .
Hopefully the season finale is great. I lurk on the TrekBBS and it seems my dislike of this episode puts me in the minority.
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My favourite writing inconsistency was “That will be a perilous journey at warp, this quadrant is swarming with Klingons” *ten uneventful minutes later* “Alright, we’re there!”
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Wow that was a bad episode. 35 minutes of exposition followed by 10 minutes of silliness. The Tyler story was annoying, the Admiral is stupid and boring, and Saru, who had just become really interesting, was given nothing to do. Hopefully the final redeems things because I am considering giving up on this show.
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My favourite writing inconsistency was “That will be a perilous journey at warp, this quadrant is swarming with Klingons” *ten uneventful minutes later* “Alright, we’re there!”
Maybe they could do the impossible and shift their quantum signatures.
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Don't the Romulans become first discovered by the Federation sometime during the Original Series timeline, which should be 10+ years from Discovery.
Nope. There was a Romulan Earth war prior to the events of Enterprise. They even talked about it in Balance of Terror in TOS. However there weren't view screens of video communications so the Terrans didn't know what the Romulans looked like until that episode, however the Vulcan's knew that they were a long lost off shoot of the Vulcan's who left when the Vulcan's became all logic driven instead of being violent and war like.
So in Balance of Terror when they patched into the bird of prey and saw what looked like Vulcans in command a lot of the crew looked at Spock with a lot of distrust.
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