[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[HelloHockeyFans]

Man, those comments about not being happy with how he's been utilized really grinds my gears. He's been slotted into the Top 6 all year until his injury and since his return has been put into the bottom 6 to not ruin the chemistry. Suck it up.

He's still clearly a guy that the coach trusts given he throws him out there to protect a lead in the final seconds of a game. I'm not sure what he wants.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

... and then there's Engelland... Still can't believe so many people here were excited about his signing.

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EDIT: Never mind already being talked about.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Perhaps, but none of that is really Glencross' concern from his perspective. He was at one point set on only going to the Ducks.

IMO only reason to expand his list is that a) Anaheim doesn't really want him b) Flames asked him to so they could try and create a bidding war in an attempt to increase Anaheim's offer

I suppose you could make a case that Treliving told him to expand his list or he would finish the season as a Flame, but who would want a malcontent on the team.

I posted in this or another thread that Murray typically doesn't go for rentals. Despite having two second rounders last year he wouldn't trade one for Cammalleri despite having the asset and space to do so. Turned out to bite him in the ass as he could have used Cammys goal scoring in the Kings series. For this reason I don't see the ducks as a reliable partner and hope that Treliving finds a better deal elsewhere, unless he can bring murray to his knees and make him overpay.

[Ozy_Flame]

Treliving should be going after Shea Theodore with no hesitation. That would be the long-term solution; otherwise we need to find a good balance of youth and veteran experience if we are going to make a post-season run, and still not lose anyone after the year is done. In that case, a package of Ben Lovejoy (that 4-6 defenseman we need) and DSP would be a good return, if we could get it.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Man, those comments about not being happy with how he's been utilized really grinds my gears. He's been slotted into the Top 6 all year until his injury and since his return has been put into the bottom 6 to not ruin the chemistry. Suck it up.

He's still clearly a guy that the coach trusts given he throws him out there to protect a lead in the final seconds of a game. I'm not sure what he wants.

I think Glencross was given the benefit of the doubt for longer than his play justified. Most of the season his play didn't equate to a Top 6 role, yet we has still put into prime positions. He was expected to become a goal scoring leader on this young team, and he failed to live up to expectations. The fact that the coaches have adjusted, and started putting him in a role that plays to his current strengths is not a slight against Glencross...it just shows that his game has changed, and it's not what he thinks it is.

He has 8 goals in 49 games. Injuries have been an issue, but when you have less goals than 10 players on your team...a list which includes, Josh Jooris, David Jones, and Mason Raymond (who have all played less games than Glencross), 3 defensemen, 2 rookies (including the mentioned Jooris) and a 4th like energy guy in Lance Bouma... reality says that you're probably not a Top 6 guy anymore.

The Flames have been more than fair to Curtis. He's just simply not the player he thinks he is.

[browna]

Though I am sure there are others, and Cammalleri last year before the lack of respect (in his opinion) of his value on the league lit a fire under his butt after the trade deadline, is an example, Glencross really has crapped the bed for a contract year, which is rare.

Maybe trying too hard to be careful and not get hurt and jeopardize the upcoming payday, but whatever it is, he's not the same this year, and it shows.

Now that this is all out in the public, I don't expect things to take more than a week to get something done as the Flames/Treliving don't want this distraction hanging over their heads.

[transplant99]

Whatever the return, whomever is to blame for where things are now, and all that.... my only hope is that it doesnt screw with the chemistry of the team.

Glencross is a big presence in that room and one of the leaders, regardless of this years production and a guy that has been through the wringer with this club. That kind of loss can really have an effect on a team. He plays the game the right way, behaves off the ice in an even "righter" way, and has been a mainstay through some lean times. Those guys are hard to lose for young teams.

Hope he finds mega success where ever he lands and also hope he hits the jackpot in UFA as he is one of the good guys who has earned every right to do so.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by _Q_

The correct way to look at it is this:

Assuming 15 teams out of 29 are interested, and Glencross is willing to go to any of the 6 teams on his list. If there is a match between Glencross' list and Treliving list then we have a trade. So essentially we can look at this problem as a pot with 29 balls, 15 of which are yes and 14 are no. Glencross picks 6 balls randomly. The only way he doesn't get traded is if all 6 balls read "no". Any other combination means he gets traded.

So the probability of all 6 balls reading no and him not getting traded is therefore calculated as such

(15/29)*(14/28)*(13/27)*(12/26)*(11/25)*(10/24) = 1%

Therefore the probability of him getting traded is equal to 99%.

In addition:
Glencross does not pick teams randomly, and the teams asking about him are not random.

Only teams that think they can make the playoffs would be interested in a UFA rental. Glencross is only interested in teams that could go deep in the playoffs. So quite likely every team Glencross would go to has also asked about him, and at worst there's maybe two teams that Glencross would go to that isn't interested because they have their sights on someone else.

(Of course mutual interest does not necessarily mean a deal gets done.)

[Moneyhands23]

Ugh if hr plays tomorrow and gets injured I'll puke. The flames are off until Tuesday after anahiem. Should be traded by then.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Man, those comments about not being happy with how he's been utilized really grinds my gears. He's been slotted into the Top 6 all year until his injury and since his return has been put into the bottom 6 to not ruin the chemistry. Suck it up.

He's still clearly a guy that the coach trusts given he throws him out there to protect a lead in the final seconds of a game. I'm not sure what he wants.

That's pretty much how I feel. It pisses me off. I was already tiring of his constant killing of offensive pushes or bad giveaways and then he complains about utilization. Instead of saying "I'll work harder" or the team cliche of "I'm happy to play whatever role I'm needed in", he basically says he should be in that top 6. Curtis knows those top 6 minutes are offensively good and he's trying to up his value for both trade and free agency.

Unfortunately for him, Johnny is killing it even when hitting slumps and Lance is lately killing it too. Obviously Hartley doesn't agree with his sentiment, which is why he's taking less minutes. So instead of doing something about it he whines. So much for "always earned never given" Curtis...

And he wears an "A". Like hell. Hudler and Gio are the leaders for a reason, everyone looks up to them. Why? Because they're reliable, consistent, and mature. I don't know what Glencross brought to the locker room, but my guess that Jiri and Mark were the go-to leadership duo.

At this point I'm treating it as an addition by subtraction roster move.

[Wastedyouth]

Nm, not worth it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Man, those comments about not being happy with how he's been utilized really grinds my gears. He's been slotted into the Top 6 all year until his injury and since his return has been put into the bottom 6 to not ruin the chemistry. Suck it up.

He's still clearly a guy that the coach trusts given he throws him out there to protect a lead in the final seconds of a game. I'm not sure what he wants.

IIRC it's not the first time Glencross has complained about ice time or role.

[killer_carlson]

again, as a fan of Glencross I am glad he gets traded because the absolute BS he takes on here is getting to be too much.

This is Oiler-esque with the way certain fans are running him out of town. Absolutely disgusting treatment for a guy who spends his summers in town and bleeds Albertan.

Curtis, I hope you hit a home run in the offseason. Good luck and you deserve better than you are getting on here.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

again, as a fan of Glencross I am glad he gets traded because the absolute BS he takes on here is getting to be too much.

This is Oiler-esque with the way certain fans are running him out of town. Absolutely disgusting treatment for a guy who spends his summers in town and bleeds Albertan.

Curtis, I hope you hit a home run in the offseason. Good luck and you deserve better than you are getting on here.

While I kind of agree with the sentiment, I am pretty certain that comments on a message board aren't "running him out of town".

I'm pretty sure anything we say on here as opinion on hockey or hockey players has little to no impact on the real world.

But it's nice to think it does.

[GioforPM]

I too hope he does well as a UFA. I don't see most of the posts talking about moving him as criticizing him as a player - it's about not losing an asset for nothing. And the ones who do criticize his play? Some of the criticisms are valid IMO, some aren't.

I just think he's the most movable asset that doesn't hurt the Flames long term and can get a decent return.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

again, as a fan of Glencross I am glad he gets traded because the absolute BS he takes on here is getting to be too much.

This is Oiler-esque with the way certain fans are running him out of town. Absolutely disgusting treatment for a guy who spends his summers in town and bleeds Albertan.

Curtis, I hope you hit a home run in the offseason. Good luck and you deserve better than you are getting on here.

Is this a new post or did you just copy an old post before Jarome was traded and replace Iginla with Glencross?

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

again, as a fan of Glencross I am glad he gets traded because the absolute BS he takes on here is getting to be too much.

This is Oiler-esque with the way certain fans are running him out of town. Absolutely disgusting treatment for a guy who spends his summers in town and bleeds Albertan.

Curtis, I hope you hit a home run in the offseason. Good luck and you deserve better than you are getting on here.

This post is hilarious in so many ways... Nobody is running the guy out of town. I'm happy with what Glencross provided to this team for his first couple of seasons, but at the end of the day this is still a business and any player should understand that. It has been discussed on many occasions that there is a slim to none chance he is re-signing in Calgary, so this is all about trying to maximize value for an outgoing asset.

What "BS" he takes on here is affecting him in any way, shape or form? This is a public internet forum of hockey fans discussing topics on their team.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

This is Oiler-esque with the way certain fans are running him out of town. Absolutely disgusting treatment for a guy who spends his summers in town and bleeds Albertan.

Killer, I love your posts but did I just read the Darryl Sutter defense of a player?

The fact that he's Albertan and hangs around Calgary in the off-season should have no bearing on his usefulness as a Calgary Flame and a hockey player making millions. Most of our team is not Albertans, and absolutely under no circumstances should any player receive any preferential or partisan treatment because of where he chooses to live when he's not lacing up the skates. I know he has a connection to the local rodeo scene and such, but just because he doesn't play for the Flames in short order doesn't mean he won't continue to have roots here. Last I saw, Darryl Sutter didn't abandon his Alberta roots when he headed to California (and win cups there, no less). And if it's about charities and things like that, it's not just Glencross who helps the local community - one only has to look at Mikael Backlund for an equal example (and also a player who has been a Flame just as long as Glencross).

Also - did Dion Phaneuf being from Alberta save him from the feelings we all had towards his play and attitude? This isn't just a Glencross thing, it has happened in the past and will continue to happen in the future, whether it's right or not.

Flames fans have every right to pick apart a player if they don't like him. It's part of the job of being a professional athlete.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Considering he's played 57 games it shows to me that he averages basically 1 min of pk time per game which makes that stat a little less impressive considering he primarily seems to be sent out in the twilight seconds of a PK. Its a lot easier to defend a PK when your hoping over the boards with 30-40 seconds left in it and the puck heading into their zone as you hop over and switch up. Not trying to take anything away from Dennis but its clear he gets the easier minutes of PK time.

You realize that Wideman has played the 3rd most short handed minutes of anyone on the team right? Why is there always someone jumping up and down to discredit Wideman.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

again, as a fan of Glencross I am glad he gets traded because the absolute BS he takes on here is getting to be too much.

This is Oiler-esque with the way certain fans are running him out of town. Absolutely disgusting treatment for a guy who spends his summers in town and bleeds Albertan.

Curtis, I hope you hit a home run in the offseason. Good luck and you deserve better than you are getting on here.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, as with most things.