The 2016 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

[Weitz]

I bet on tampa today because I am 0-10 for betting on Jays games this year. Was hoping to give them a little boost.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

They sure are making it easy for Rogers to do what they were going to do anyways.

Because acquiring Liriano and his $13 million dollar salary for next season surely means the Jays are going to tear everything apart and slash payroll. Makes perfect sense.

[Erick Estrada]

If there's a silver lining in the Jays missing the post season it's that it satisfies my immense (borderline irrational) dislike for Rogers to know they won't benefit from playoff revenue and TV ratings.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

They sure are making it easy for Rogers to do what they were going to do anyways.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by JayP

Because acquiring Liriano and his $13 million dollar salary for next season surely means the Jays are going to tear everything apart and slash payroll. Makes perfect sense.

Cecil (3.8M), Edwin (10.0M), Bautista (14.0M), Dickey (12M), Saunders (2.9 M), Grilli (3.5 M), Benoit (7.5M), Feldman (8M), Navarro (4M). That's close to 60M coming off the books.

Call me when they spend 60M this off-season, or even half of that for that matter.

[cross16]

To break up the bad game, Shi Davidi is reporting Jays have hired Ben Cherongton as their VP of Baseball Ops.
Really good hire. He was a big part of Red Sox building the great young team they have.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by JayP

Because acquiring Liriano and his $13 million dollar salary for next season surely means the Jays are going to tear everything apart and slash payroll. Makes perfect sense.

It sounds like the Jays are close to hiring ex-Red Sox GM Ben Cherington as their VP of baseball operations. World Series winning GMs that leave behind the type of young talent Boston has now usually come extremely cheap. Just another sign Rogers is going to cut payroll.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Awesome news about Cherington. He will only help the Jays. Makes you wonder what kind of influence/say Ross Atkins will truly have after this hire. Anyways I like the hire.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Cecil (3.8M), Edwin (10.0M), Bautista (14.0M), Dickey (12M), Saunders (2.9 M), Grilli (3.5 M), Benoit (7.5M), Feldman (8M), Navarro (4M). That's close to 60M coming off the books.

Call me when they spend 60M this off-season, or even half of that for that matter.

So your argument is that because they have expiring contracts that means they aren't going to spend money? Because the Jays are the only team with expiring contracts. It's an especially good point when you bring up guys like Feldman and Navarro too and count their full season's salary when the Jays are actually paying a small fraction of that given when they were acquired.

The Jays took on Liriano and Upton for next season at the deadline. That was about $18 million of salary. So only $12 million towards your claim they won't even spend $30 million towards the team next year.

[flames_fan_down_under]

I still have faith this team can turn it around. They have the bats, they just need to get some luck and to stop putting Aaron Loup out there forever and ever.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Meanwhile Kevin Kiermaier turns into Mike Trout when he plays the Jays.

[Jiggy_12]

No matter what happens out of town tonight, the Jays will wake up in a playoff position tomorrow. And no matter what happens tomorrow, they will wake up the next morning either in a playoff spot or tied for one.

That is a minor miracle considering how miserable a stretch this has been.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Awesome news about Cherington. He will only help the Jays. Makes you wonder what kind of influence/say Ross Atkins will truly have after this hire. Anyways I like the hire.

It looks like the Jays are building a front office similar to what the Dodgers are doing. More of a collaborative decision making process with Shapiro, Atkins, Cherington, and LaCava all having major input.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Cecil (3.8M), Edwin (10.0M), Bautista (14.0M), Dickey (12M), Saunders (2.9 M), Grilli (3.5 M), Benoit (7.5M), Feldman (8M), Navarro (4M). That's close to 60M coming off the books.

Call me when they spend 60M this off-season, or even half of that for that matter.

It's your posts like these that really annoy the posters in the thread. Most will agree that Rogers need to open up the purse strings a little more - but you make ridiculous posts like these that add nothing.

Include $23M of salary for guys that they acquired this year mid-season to help fill some holes in the line up as a negative (Grilli, Benoit, Feldman, Navarro) while not really giving then any credit for doing so to start with.

So after that you are looking at $42M for Bautista, Edwin, Cecil, Dickey, & Saunders.

When you consider the fact they already added $18M to next years payroll in the form of Liriano and Upton they only really are down $24M for next years opening day payroll.

I would would guess they spend at least that much more in offseason this year - maybe not on replacing Dickey who has effectively been replaced by Liriano but I doubt they just let Encarnacion and Bautista walk with no replacements.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by JayP

It sounds like the Jays are close to hiring ex-Red Sox GM Ben Cherington as their VP of baseball operations. World Series winning GMs that leave behind the type of young talent Boston has now usually come extremely cheap. Just another sign Rogers is going to cut payroll.

The fact that the Jays invested heavily in Shapiro and Atkins (both with large experience managing small market teams), did next to nothing in the past off-season other than sign a few short term deals and didn't even negotiate with their two stars, fired their director of scounting, and are now investing heavily in another guy as VP of baseball operations makes it clear as day to anyone who doesn't want to bury their head in the sand as to what exactly is going to happen starting next year.

Maybe it's what's needed, but they are 100% cutting payroll and every single sign in the universe is pointing towards without even considering Rogers history of cheapness over the past 20 years as an owner.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's your posts like these that really annoy the posters in the thread. Most will agree that Rogers need to open up the purse strings a little more - but you make ridiculous posts like these that add nothing.

Include $23M of salary for guys that they acquired this year mid-season to help fill some holes in the line up as a negative (Grilli, Benoit, Feldman, Navarro) while not really giving then any credit for doing so to start with.

So after that you are looking at $42M for Bautista, Edwin, Cecil, Dickey, & Saunders.

When you consider the fact they already added $18M to next years payroll in the form of Liriano and Upton they only really are down $24M for next years opening day payroll.

I would would guess they spend at least that much more in offseason this year - maybe not on replacing Dickey who has effectively been replaced by Liriano but I doubt they just let Encarnacion and Bautista walk with no replacements.

Oh they will get replacements, but they won't be anywhere the caliber of Encarnacion and Bautista. They'll sign one tier 2 free agent to replace Bautista, and go with Upton and Pillar in the outfield. The Jays are essentially paying Upton league minimum for a veteran next year. Not sure why people are including him as an example of the Jays not cutting salary next year.

And why can't I had those guys' salaries in? JayP and others like him sure liked to add Price, Revere, Tulo, and Hawkins half-year salary to their argument last year that the Jays were not cheap and they spent more in 2015 than they did in 2014.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I'm guessing here, but I think given the choice TAO would be happier if Rogers sold the team than if they kept the team and won the World Series.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Thank god that is the last time I ever see the Rays this season.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'm guessing here, but I think given the choice TAO would be happier if Rogers sold the team than if they kept the team and won the World Series.

I would happier than a pig in #### if Rogers ever sold the Blue Jays. That's not going to happen though, this is their little cash cow.

They will likely never win a World Series with Rogers as owner though. They won't funnel a single a profit back into the team to allow them to take that last step, and they don't have the stomach for a full on rebuild. A never ending cycle. Last year was as close as they are ever going to get with Rogers. Lighting was caught in a bottle.

I actually would just wish they would flat out come out and say, we don't think we can win with what it is we are doing, we are changing our approach and will stick to it for the longterm.

The good news is, it's looks like the Jays may actually be doing that with their recent hirings dating back to Shapiro.

[Tyler]

Yes, the Jays listless September is all Rogers fault.

Do you anti-Rogers people ever get tired of hearing yourself whine?

Be glad that someone actually stepped up and bought the team when they did. There weren't exactly a lot of bidders back then.