Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Since you always just post links and never follow up with any personal insights I assume you are referring to that hair of is. My god that is something indeed.

That is weaponized. I swear that hair must be bullet-proof.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Looks like government blinked, a few days after Trudeau compared defending C-18 to fighting Nazis in WWII. What a monumentally stupid bill, biting the hand that feeds you.

https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2023/07/...line-news-act/

Wow - who could have ever predicted exactly this would happen right down the response.

[Swift]

There's a by-election in my riding right now and I just saw a real life Larry Heather sign on someone's lawn. Didn't even know he had actual supporters. Unless of course, Larry Heather lives in my neighbourhood

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1679233059915452417

When it comes to economics, Harper is so smart. We would be sooooo much better off and further ahead as a country if he was still in charge.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1680232257259290625

[Reggie Dunlop]

https://www.thecanadianpressnews.ca/...e972eb34c.html

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

What do the Trudeaus and covid have in common?

NSFW!

The second wave is worse than the first.

He does know that we actually have to pay back the debt, right?

Way more costly now that interest rates are up.

It’s now costing Canadians 4.58 million dollars to service our debt.

That not per month, that’s not per day.

That’s PER HOUR.

How are we going to spend our way out of this one? We either have to raise taxes or cut services (or both). Boy, I can’t wait for a tax increase, less money for families already dealing with huge cost increases due to government spending.

Since I posted this, less than 4 days ago, it has cost Canadian taxpayers 856 million dollars just to service our debt.

We could do a lot of good with that money, I’m sure our healthcare system could use that money. But it is gone. Into thin air. What an absolute waste.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Since I posted this, less than 4 days ago, it has cost Canadian taxpayers 856 million dollars just to service our debt.

We could do a lot of good with that money, I’m sure our healthcare system could use that money. But it is gone. Into thin air. What an absolute waste.

No, it went to the lenders we borrowed it from, who are mostly Canadian. I'm not saying we shouldn't be fiscally responsible but to say that money vanished is disingenuous.

[Doctorfever]

It’s still money that we could be spending on healthcare or other programs. Instead it is being spent to service our debt.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

It’s still money that we could be spending on healthcare or other programs. Instead it is being spent to service our debt.

A more accurate and intellectually honest description is that it's money that was already spent on healthcare or other programs. Do you think the government just borrowed the money and literally set it on fire? Really?

Reasonable people can have a reasonable debate about whether deficit spending on any particular item is worthwhile or not, but you're making it sound like the government borrowed money for no reason and had it vanish into the ether. Come on now.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

A more accurate and intellectually honest description is that it's money that was already spent on healthcare or other programs. Do you think the government just borrowed the money and literally set it on fire? Really?

Reasonable people can have a reasonable debate about whether deficit spending on any particular item is worthwhile or not, but you're making it sound like the government borrowed money for no reason and had it vanish into the ether. Come on now.

What he is saying is that the government should not have spent a dime on Covid vaccines. If they would have avoided that they could spend the money now on health care.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What he is saying is that the government should not have spent a dime on Covid vaccines. If they would have avoided that they could spend the money now on health care.

That would’ve been pretty smart. We could’ve killed off a bunch of people and solved both the healthcare crisis and the retirement/pension issue in one go.

Damn, Doctorfever. Awesome plan. You probably wouldn’t have made it but that’s a noble sacrifice. We need more people like that in this country.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

It’s now costing Canadians 4.58 million dollars to service our debt.

That not per month, that’s not per day.

That’s PER HOUR.

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Since I posted this, less than 4 days ago, it has cost Canadian taxpayers 856 million dollars just to service our debt.

We could do a lot of good with that money, I’m sure our healthcare system could use that money. But it is gone. Into thin air. What an absolute waste.

4.58 x 24 x 4 = 439.7


If you're going to complain about big numbers, at least get the math right.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Reasonable people can have a reasonable debate about whether deficit spending on any particular item is worthwhile or not, but you're making it sound like the government borrowed money for no reason and had it vanish into the ether. Come on now.

They did send many billions of dollars to people who didn't qualify for it. There were also substantial sums that actually did basically vanish into the ether during COVID, in the sense that there was no explanation about where hundreds of millions of dollars went. Actually I don't know if we ever got a clear answer to this: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...ion-last-year/

And then there's this stuff, for which I do not know if there was ultimately a good explanation:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1614671352182767617

Of course, that sort of thing has happened under other governments too.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

They did send many billions of dollars to people who didn't qualify for it. There were also substantial sums that actually did basically vanish into the ether during COVID, in the sense that there was no explanation about where hundreds of millions of dollars went. Actually I don't know if we ever got a clear answer to this: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...ion-last-year/

And then there's this stuff, for which I do not know if there was ultimately a good explanation:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1614671352182767617

Of course, that sort of thing has happened under other governments too.

Yeah, the assumption that all (or even a significant portion) of the excess government debt came from buying covid vaccines is not supportable.

[#-3]

Doctorfever's arguments don't matter because he is complaining about the debt while openly opining for a government who only plans to make it worse.

Find a new talking point, conservatives have lost the thread on debt reduction, because they aren't intellectually honest enough to admit that in order to finance government taxes need to be levied in some fashion, and they struggle with the math that goes into a return on investment calculation, some times it is cheaper in the long run to take out debt and pay the interest then it is to wait and pay future inflated rates or forego the service for years while you wait, that's why the PCs appear to have mis-manged Alberta's finances so poorly in the 00s, because Ralph Klein created an infrastructure deficit that it was expensive to recover from.

[iggy_oi]

In his defence he’s a doctor, not an accountant.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

In his defence he’s a doctor, not an accountant.

A doctor with an everlasting fever, no less. So he isn’t even that good at that.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A doctor with an everlasting fever, no less. So he isn’t even that good at that.

Get him more cowbell.

[Fuzz]

Uh oh, port strike back on.