Brad Treliving needs to go

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

We really need the opposite of "like" for posts.

And then a standings.

Nah. I hate forums that have thumbs down votes. You end up with bizarre stuff like people giving thumbs down to perfectly fine posts and posters get into battles thumbs downing each other. Best is no likes or dislikes like it used to be.

[PepsiFree]

Erick is just worried he’s going to get a bunch of thumbs down.

Embrace the thumbs down, brother.

[Toonage]

If I could post GIFs, here would be the guy at the Yankees game standing there with his thumb down

* GIF *

[Monahammer]

This isn't a knock on Brad really, but don't know where this belongs otherwise.

Something's gotta give with the Kylington situation. It's one thing to be flexible and generous to an employee dealing with something personal, but it's another to dramatically hamper your own organization and potential for success to be so accommodating. We need to be able to put him on LTIR at the very least. We need this player back and performing preferably, but short of that, we need to be able to use the valuable cap space he is otherwise taking up and burning.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The team is missing talent. The coach is overplaying fourth line grinders. The goalie can't save a beach ball.

What's your next move, Treliving?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This isn't a knock on Brad really, but don't know where this belongs otherwise.

Something's gotta give with the Kylington situation. It's one thing to be flexible and generous to an employee dealing with something personal, but it's another to dramatically hamper your own organization and potential for success to be so accommodating. We need to be able to put him on LTIR at the very least. We need this player back and performing preferably, but short of that, we need to be able to use the valuable cap space he is otherwise taking up and burning.

As much as I like Kylington, I think doing right by the player is probably worth more than putting the team first in this situation. We don’t have any need to put him on LTIR as we’re not going above the cap (and it stops us from banking cap space if we do it beforehand) and the alternative is probably dropping the player entirely which gives us nearly the same result while simultaneously pissing players off.

Basically a lose-lose going with your options. I’m sure Treliving is threading the needle the best way possible.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This isn't a knock on Brad really, but don't know where this belongs otherwise.

Something's gotta give with the Kylington situation. It's one thing to be flexible and generous to an employee dealing with something personal, but it's another to dramatically hamper your own organization and potential for success to be so accommodating. We need to be able to put him on LTIR at the very least. We need this player back and performing preferably, but short of that, we need to be able to use the valuable cap space he is otherwise taking up and burning.

Is it known that they can't put him on IR?

From what I can tell, the only impact from not having him on IR thus far would have been Valimaki. I guess there would have been room for his salary at the start of the season if that is what they wanted.

Now that Valimaki is gone, what is the benefit of having Kylington on IR?

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This isn't a knock on Brad really, but don't know where this belongs otherwise.

Something's gotta give with the Kylington situation. It's one thing to be flexible and generous to an employee dealing with something personal, but it's another to dramatically hamper your own organization and potential for success to be so accommodating. We need to be able to put him on LTIR at the very least. We need this player back and performing preferably, but short of that, we need to be able to use the valuable cap space he is otherwise taking up and burning.

I’m sorry but Kylington’s personal problem is far more important than winning hockey games. I respect the organization for allowing him all the time he needs. People need to realize it’s just a game at the end of the day.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Erick is just worried he’s going to get a bunch of thumbs down.

Embrace the thumbs down, brother.

Ha ha. No I really just don't like them and never have. I don't like any of this stuff because it makes for a popularity contest and drives groupthink. The last thing we need here is an additional tool to ridicule posters we don't agree with. If you are here to generate thanks then you are here for the wrong reasons.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This isn't a knock on Brad really, but don't know where this belongs otherwise.

Something's gotta give with the Kylington situation. It's one thing to be flexible and generous to an employee dealing with something personal, but it's another to dramatically hamper your own organization and potential for success to be so accommodating. We need to be able to put him on LTIR at the very least. We need this player back and performing preferably, but short of that, we need to be able to use the valuable cap space he is otherwise taking up and burning.

I agree, the thing is that we don't even know if he is skating and at some point a business decision needs to be made. With the rest of it, only touching on high points that I know,


1) He won the Dougie trade
2) He completely mismanaged the JG asset
3) Tkachuk wanted out, fair enough, he won that trade hands down
4) Dumped the Monahan contract
5) Flames are now SOLID up the middle over 3 lines
6) Signed 4 key assets term
7) Bad move on the Markstrom contract


I think he has done pretty damn good and won't get cornered on an expiring contract again.


Other than a few of the pluggers the Flames line up is solid, Down the middle?...yeah man. Huberdeau is an amazing player, better playmaker/passer/set up guy than Tanguay at his best. Kadri as a two way player....yep, Toffoli as a sniper...yep...etc, etc.


His coach is mismanaging what has been given to him horribly.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This isn't a knock on Brad really, but don't know where this belongs otherwise.

Something's gotta give with the Kylington situation. It's one thing to be flexible and generous to an employee dealing with something personal, but it's another to dramatically hamper your own organization and potential for success to be so accommodating. We need to be able to put him on LTIR at the very least. We need this player back and performing preferably, but short of that, we need to be able to use the valuable cap space he is otherwise taking up and burning.

I don't think you know how the cap regarding LTIR works.

[dammage79]

Trees done what he needed to do. It's up to the players to put it together and the coaches to pull their collective genius brains together and get this rolling.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Trees done what he needed to do. It's up to the players to put it together and the coaches to pull their collective genius brains together and get this rolling.

Yup, also with JG, I think there are very few players on the planet that enter the offensive zone like him and in a way an entire offence was built around that ability. Tkachuk draws traffic, creates a little havoc, and can score. Both are gone, up to the coach to play to his new players strengths/game, not retool these strengths to his game.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Ha ha. No I really just don't like them and never have. I don't like any of this stuff because it makes for a popularity contest and drives groupthink. The last thing we need here is an additional tool to ridicule posters we don't agree with. If you are here to generate thanks then you are here for the wrong reasons.

Have you forgotten about the red and blue squares that were once given out based on the qualiity of postings.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Yikes

I agree, the thing is that we don't even know if he is skating and at some point a business decision needs to be made. With the rest of it, only touching on high points that I know,


1) He won the Dougie trade
2) He completely mismanaged the JG asset
3) Tkachuk wanted out, fair enough, he won that trade hands down
4) Dumped the Monahan contract
5) Flames are now SOLID up the middle over 3 lines
6) Signed 4 key assets term
7) Bad move on the Markstrom contract


I think he has done pretty damn good and won't get cornered on an expiring contract again.


Other than a few of the pluggers the Flames line up is solid, Down the middle?...yeah man. Huberdeau is an amazing player, better playmaker/passer/set up guy than Tanguay at his best. Kadri as a two way player....yep, Toffoli as a sniper...yep...etc, etc.


His coach is mismanaging what has been given to him horribly.

Not from what I've seen so far, on paper yes, but until JH of MW start playing like we thought they would I'd say the trade is more in Florida's favour.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Not from what I've seen so far, on paper yes, but until JH of MW start playing like we thought they would I'd say the trade is more in Florida's favour.

I like Bennett, and because of that I watched as much of Florida as I could last year. I did not follow their D so much but Huberdeau is amazing...just play to his skill set and the assists will rack up.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Dion

Have you forgotten about the red and blue squares that were once given out based on the qualiity of postings.

That was different though. Red squares were not given out, they accumulated from posting quantity just as they do now. The blue squares came from multiple infractions from the mods, not being down voted or disliked by the community.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Yikes

I agree, the thing is that we don't even know if he is skating and at some point a business decision needs to be made. With the rest of it, only touching on high points that I know,


1) He won the Dougie trade
2) He completely mismanaged the JG asset
3) Tkachuk wanted out, fair enough, he won that trade hands down
4) Dumped the Monahan contract
5) Flames are now SOLID up the middle over 3 lines
6) Signed 4 key assets term
7) Bad move on the Markstrom contract


I think he has done pretty damn good and won't get cornered on an expiring contract again.


Other than a few of the pluggers the Flames line up is solid, Down the middle?...yeah man. Huberdeau is an amazing player, better playmaker/passer/set up guy than Tanguay at his best. Kadri as a two way player....yep, Toffoli as a sniper...yep...etc, etc.


His coach is mismanaging what has been given to him horribly.

Calling Markstroms contract bad is probably unfair too.

I’m down on the guy more than anyone but it’s been like 13 games (18 including the Oilers series). He was still a Vezina finalist last year.

I still think Markstrom figures it out eventually here

[Flaming Horse]

Not good enough Treliving. Eight years of service, going on nine and only 2 playoff wins is not even close to good enough. They are one of the oldest teams and have one of the leagues worst prospect pools. Sure he has done some good things. What GM hasn't. The results have just not been there and it is not looking good right now also.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

Not good enough Treliving. Eight years of service, going on nine and only 2 playoff wins is not even close to good enough. They are one of the oldest teams and have one of the leagues worst prospect pools. Sure he has done some good things. What GM hasn't. The results have just not been there and it is not looking good right now also.

Sure, you are not wrong but what was the success before him? Not a huge Treliving fan but the facts are he has won 2 playoff round wins in 8 years, like you said. Before that? They passed the first round ONCE in 25 years.

Its not like he came to a great franchise like Tampa, its the flames.. seems a bit fair to blame him for passing the first round twice in 8 years, where previous GMs did that once in 25 years.