Ring Road To Nowhere

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Winnipeg had a ring road well before any of the Alberta ones were built.

And Rome had one before Winnipeg????

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Winnipeg had a ring road well before any of the Alberta ones were built.

Wasn't Winnipeg given lots of big roads for evacuation abilities due to floods/nuclear war? I seem to remember hearing that many years ago.

[frinkprof]

^Winnipeg in general was planned to be a much larger city than it has ended up being. As the railway hub of Canada, it was supposed to be the "Chicago of the north." Winnipeg is the big city that ended up small, and Calgary is the small city that ended up big.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Tsuu T'ina chief says he'll meet with his people on S.W. ring road

Why does it feel like I'm driving in circles?

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Tsuu T'ina chief says he'll meet with his people on S.W. ring road

Why does it feel like I'm driving in circles?

Because we've been doing it for half a century?

[CaptainYooh]

Been there, done that. It didn't work. Let's move on. Option 4, please!

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Tsuu T'ina chief says he'll meet with his people on S.W. ring road

Why does it feel like I'm driving in circles?

You can only drive in 3/4 of a circle.

[Jimmy Stang]

I hope that this is a case of blowing the dust off of the previous offer and tweaking a few specific things. If the whole offer fell through because of some wording, reassurances, etc., then I don't have a problem with it.

That being said, some have suggested that there may be some mistrust between the Tsuu Tina people and their leadership, which may prove to be the nail in the coffin for that route.

If they're ready to accept the same offer as the last one (with some minor tweaks), that would give us the best ring road option. Truly a win-win-win between the nation, the people of Calgary, and the neighbourhoods nearby. But if this is a case of going back to the drawing board completely, we might as well forget it.

[TylerSVT]

Maybe they can entice him with some beer.



Jokes aside lets hope they get something done so the ball can start rolling on these projects. We NEED a ring road.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

If they're ready to accept the same offer as the last one (with some minor tweaks), that would give us the best ring road option. Truly a win-win-win between the nation, the people of Calgary, and the neighbourhoods nearby. But if this is a case of going back to the drawing board completely, we might as well forget it.

The best option is to have both the road through the Tsuu T’ina land and a road down 37th Street. That's just wishful thinking though.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

The best option is to have both the road through the Tsuu T’ina land and a road down 37th Street. That's just wishful thinking though.

Easy there, sport. One contentious transportation project at a time.

I think that if the ring road goes through Tsuu Tina land and is built with plenty of capacity, that will negate the need for much to be done on 37th. Someone from Oakridge will still be able to get to Glamorgan in record time, and the non-local traffic will have a nice, quick, and relatively straight route. With room for expansion, no less.

Even if, in say 50 years, there is a need for 37th to carry on across the Weaselhead, it'll never happen. They'll just add lanes to Stoney. (IMO, of course).

[mykalberta]

The province is only responsible financially for the Ring Road itself. If it goes through the reserve then its up to the City to upgrade 37th. If they arent willing to traverse the Weaselhead now they wont be going back to it in 50 years.

I think this is nothing other than smoke from Tsu Tina. If you arent negotiating with anyone who has any power whatsoever then what is the point. What they should do is completely bypass the band leadership, add say 5 mil to the deal to make it different and then bring it to the actual people who vote. Hold public forums, assault the reserve with advertising, billboards etc. There must be a way to force a referendum without the councils consent - that is the road I would go if you want to give the Tsu Tina one last option.

[corporatejay]

Does anyone have an idea of what the estimated (best case) completion date of the SW RR would be?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by V

YHT isn't exactly comparitive to the Deerfoot. That would probably be the Whitemud which is just as screwed up as the Deerfoot in some areas, but doesn't have a traffic signal on it that I can remember.

No, but there was a considerable amount of whining in Edmonton about how Deerfoot was freeflow while YHT was not. So pyschologically, I'd say the roads are equivalent.

I really wonder when the Henday will be complete here. There's still a significant problem with crossing the river on the NE corner. I'm pretty sure they don't have that one figured out yet. It's a much easier problem to solve than the SW Stoney Trail, so you're most likely right, the Henday should be complete first.

According to the government website, the NE corner is still only in the discussion phase, so a couple years out at least.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

According to the government website, the NE corner is still only in the discussion phase, so a couple years out at least.

Ahem:

Yesterday's news release.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Does anyone have an idea of what the estimated (best case) completion date of the SW RR would be?

Well, we can use the other portions of the ring road as examples of timelines.

Let's assume they magically get an agreement in place with the Tsuu Tina in mid 2011 and have the funding to start immediately. They can finalize the Functional Plan in late 2011/Early 2012. P3 Bidding starts in Spring 2012, contract awarded late summer 2012. Contractor starts work fall 2012 and takes 3 years to finish. So November 2015 would be my "best case" guess.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

I hope that this is a case of blowing the dust off of the previous offer and tweaking a few specific things. If the whole offer fell through because of some wording, reassurances, etc., then I don't have a problem with it.

That being said, some have suggested that there may be some mistrust between the Tsuu Tina people and their leadership, which may prove to be the nail in the coffin for that route.

If they're ready to accept the same offer as the last one (with some minor tweaks), that would give us the best ring road option. Truly a win-win-win between the nation, the people of Calgary, and the neighbourhoods nearby. But if this is a case of going back to the drawing board completely, we might as well forget it.

I agree completely... and the report I heard yesterday said that the Chief was hoping to take the original offer back to the tribe members in order to help clarify some of the confusion and if needed, do some minor re-wording so everyone is satisfied.

That's just a report I heard on QR77 yesterday.... the only thing I don't understand is why couldn't the Chief helped clarify the offer before the original vote and avoid some of the potential mistrust that the tribe has.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

I think that if the ring road goes through Tsuu Tina land and is built with plenty of capacity, that will negate the need for much to be done on 37th. Someone from Oakridge will still be able to get to Glamorgan in record time, and the non-local traffic will have a nice, quick, and relatively straight route. With room for expansion, no less.

Yes, but... a road through Tsuu T'ina land to Sarcee Trail for the ring road does nothing for the people in the deep SW trying to get downtown or center city. There's some heavy traffic there that still needs to be dealt with. A 37th Street road won't solve that problem, but it will certainly help.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Yes, but... a road through Tsuu T'ina land to Sarcee Trail for the ring road does nothing for the people in the deep SW trying to get downtown or center city. There's some heavy traffic there that still needs to be dealt with. A 37th Street road won't solve that problem, but it will certainly help.

You don't know what you're talking about, do you? In fact, a ring road on Tsuu Tina land will help a ton in getting downtown from the deep SW. Just as much as completing 37th Street from Glenmore to Anderson in Option 4 presented in the Open Houses.

[Old Yeller]

Yeah I would assume that if the SW RR connected into Sarcee and then Sarcee eventually becomes free flowing, it would get traffic to Bow trail or even Memorial a hell of a lot faster than 37th would.