I wish my dad had that option to get MAID when his condition got to the point his quality of life was gone. Seeing him suffer at the end wasn't the way he'd want us to remember him by.
Watching cancer completely suck the life out of someone over a period of weeks or months in the hospice is quite terrible. I would confidently assume there was a time when my loved one would have chosen to go on her terms, instead of about a month later.
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Suicide is not illegal. What's at issue is to what extent the state and our health care system should facilitate suicide.
Some context: For every suicide death, there are an estimated 25-30 unsuccessful attempts. Fewer than 10 per cent of people who make an unsuccessful suicide attempt go on to die by suicide.
If we make it easy for anyone to reliably and painlessly kill themself, the number of Canadians who die of suicide would increase dramatically, perhaps 10-fold. Would that be a good outcome, in your mind?
I wrote a legal history paper on suicide. The problem with suicide legislation is you can’t really punish someone who is dead.
In ancient Athens, a person who had died of suicide (without the approval of the state) was denied the honours of a normal burial. The person would be buried alone, on the outskirts of the city, without a headstone or marker.[2]
A criminal ordinance issued by Louis XIV in 1670 intended to be far more severe in its "punishment" ritual of an obviously-already-dead body: their corpse was drawn through the streets, face down, and then hung or thrown on a garbage heap. Additionally, all of the person's property was confiscated; this measure was intended to deter suicide by punishing their heirs financially.[3]
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Is that a "just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" response to terminal diagnosis?
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Oh, cool, the Alberta Police will develop a security service division to duplicate the work of CSIS and the RCMP. More money well spent, I'm sure. It's nice to see all the fiscal conservatives up in arms about this sort of thing. Really sticking to their principles.
I like advance directives for memory issues. I struggle with the chronic illness component.
If a person is choosing MAID because the state is failing to provide a treatment which could mitigate the problem becasue of cost or capacity then the state is effectively killing them becasue they are poor.
The mental illness component gets even more complicated. One of the tenants of made is a person has the mental capacity to make the decision. In cases of severe depression is that person of sound mind to make that decision. What about people who go through phases of mania and depression which of the phases to you consider sound.
I think everyone would agree that we don’t want a suicide booth on every corner so some level of restriction on state supported suicide is warrented.
I think at a minimum psychiatric assessment should be required
Which is recommendation 10 in the above report. My understanding is this requirement did not make it into federal law and instead is being addressed through guidance and training.
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Ideally, MAID is for both. But I suspect you know this.
I also think MAID should be for mental illness. Who are we to decide if a person should be able to shuffle off this mortal coil in a dignified manner, instead of hanging themselves from their basement rafters.
BUT - We should also be doing a MUCH better job on the mental health front in the way of health supports, income supports, etc.
It can't be. We should prevent patients who are mentally incompetent from harming themselves; in this case, the harm would consist in helping them end their lives when they are not fit to make such a decision.
Kyla Tienhaara, a Queen’s University professor who studies the impact of investor-state dispute settlements, called Northback’s CPTPP claim “outrageous.”
She termed “preposterous” an investor-state dispute settlement mechanism that “allows for companies to claim compensation for speculative lost future profits rather than just their sunk costs (what they spent, for example, on mining exploration).”
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It can't be. We should prevent patients who are mentally incompetent from harming themselves; in this case, the harm would consist in helping them end their lives when they are not fit to make such a decision.
Sounds like you are making a comment in support of the idea haha
It can't be. We should prevent patients who are mentally incompetent from harming themselves; in this case, the harm would consist in helping them end their lives when they are not fit to make such a decision.
You just conflated mental illness with mentally incompetent. Those are not the same thing. People can have a mental illness and be competent to make a decision like that.
What is occurring in Alberta is the mentally incompetent are attempting to legislate away the rights of the mentally ill.
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"They write all this legislation specifically for me and only me, therefore when considering the utility and suitability of enacting such policies, I ask what would *I* do and that about sums up my thinking on the matter."
Right, and not only that, but when you're not in the situation, you don't really know what you would do or how you'd react. I was the greatest parent, with all the answers to parenting, and then I had kids.
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You just conflated mental illness with mentally incompetent. Those are not the same thing. People can have a mental illness and be competent to make a decision like that.
What is occurring in Alberta is the mentally incompetent are attempting to legislate away the rights of the mentally ill.
You make a valid point. My only concern would be doctors possibly seeing this as an easier option that treatment in the future.
If I'm terminal, just give me the drugs and I'll figure it out. Don't need a government form for that haha. If I only had 12 months I could deal with a lot of pain.
MAIDs value is when you are in chronic pain/brain damage/ASL/paralyzed and you just know its going to get worse for decades. Official opt out form becomes more useful. Especially if you could sign it pre-emptively like a DNR.
Lets ask DJones wife/GF/Partner what he is like when he has a cold/flu...
DJones is a gigachad who is going to tough it out when he has cancer.
Normally I love a dissenting opinion on here for the sake of debate. But sweet Jesus man, have to felt no hardship in your life, have you known no one who has suffered and begged for death? I hope you never do.
Seeing clips of that Rogan interview truly shows just how brutally stupid he is.
I listened to Rogan for years, and stopped around 2018 as it stopped being a kind of fun interesting conversation. Misinformation from his podcast just started to become prevalent and annoying.
Rogan saying that he's sad to see what's happened to Canada and how things are a disaster here while endorsing a guy like Trump and ignoring everything happening in his country is almost impressive.
He doesn't know anything about Canada and now I get to be bombarded with social media clips of that clown show.
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