Breaking: Biden will not seek re-election

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

This is a media driven narrative that doesn't hold much water IMO. Biden has actually followed much of the Trump doctrine when it comes to the border with the exception of the methods to "build the wall". There is still plenty of wall building going on - one of the companies that builds the partitions is down the road from where I live - but the real big investments in the wall are in the virtual wall building. The investments in sensors and observation technology are through the roof. He's also encouraging the use of the national guard to fortify the efforts at the border. The same policies exist, the Biden admin just does it with a lot more finese.

I agree with almost everything you're saying, but if I'm interpreting this correctly and you're saying that Biden's failed border policies are just a media driven narrative, that is just objectively false.

There was a tangible change in policy when Biden took over that caused an almost immediate surge of migrants (both "legal" and illegal) into the country. The cause and effect in the data is extremely clear.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/b...migration.html

To quote the article and provide one of the charts, which shows "Monthly apprehensions at the southwestern border by US Border Patrol" (the dark orange is Biden):

He campaigned in 2020 promising not only to undo Trump’s cruel policies — such as family separation — but also to welcome more migrants. After taking office, he signed executive orders to do both.

Biden tried to pause deportations. He changed the definition of asylum to include fear of gang violence. He used immigration parole — which the law says should be used “on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons” — to admit hundreds of thousands of people. The parole programs alone amounted to “the largest expansion of legal immigration in modern U.S. history,” Camilo Montoya-Galvez of CBS News wrote.

Spoiler!

Again, there were tangible changes to the immigration policy under Biden, which inarguably caused a flood of migrants - that's not a media driven narrative.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Yeah, I'm a big Biden backer, but even I saw some serious issues with his initial border policies. However, he did try to correct with meaningful legislation, but ran into a brick wall in congress.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Since Biden became president the price of food has gone up 50%, the price of gas has doubled, and interest rates are 4x what they were. You may forgive people, as they now work their second job to make ends meet, that the positive economic indicators of the American econony are not currently that important to them. That Biden has done a great job with the post covid economy is less important than the recent bias of their own financial situation with the previous guy.

This one is easily fact checked. Gas was about 2.50. It's now 3.50. In Canada we are about $4.35 USD per gallon. I think gas in the US is way too cheap anyway.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This one is easily fact checked. Gas was about 2.50. It's now 3.50. In Canada we are about $4.35 USD per gallon. I think gas in the US is way too cheap anyway.

In May 2020 the average price of gasoline in greater Chicago was $1.91. It reached a high of $$5.58 in June 2022 and is currently $4.03

The math is pretty simple

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...E_YORD_DPG&f=W

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

In May 2020 the average price of gasoline in greater Chicago was $1.91. It reached a high of $$5.58 in June 2022 and is currently $4.03

The math is pretty simple

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...E_YORD_DPG&f=W

Errr...ok, but you said "Since Biden became president" and that was Jan 2021. And their may have been an extenuating situation(please tell me people haven't forgotten already) contributing to rock bottom gas prices in May of 2020 anyway, so it's a pretty weird date to chose. But also inaccurate for your statement. I also assume we are going with today's prices, not a peak caused by another global situation...

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Errr...ok, but you said "Since Biden became president" and that was Jan 2021. And their may have been an extenuating situation(please tell me people haven't forgotten already) contributing to rock bottom gas prices in May of 2020 anyway, so it's a pretty weird date to chose. But also inaccurate for your statement. I also assume we are going with today's prices, not a peak caused by another global situation...

C'mon now take the loss here. It's silly to fact check a statement that was used as a loose reference discussion point about the current economic situation in the US yet is literally and factually true simply because it hurts a narrative. Now you are using excuses when your fact check backfired.

Did gas prices double since Biden took office? Yes. It's a fact that can be corroborated. Are they currently double? No but they are close.

Is Biden responsible for the increase? No. Does that matter to Americans? No (EldrickOnIce's argument)

Also one important note that you failed to mention in the series of excuses is that Biden sold off nearly half of the US's SPR at a historical unprecedented rate just to make his administration not appear ineffective and are at their lowest level since 1983.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...s=mcsstus1&f=m

Please tell me you haven't forgotten already.


If we use the inauguration date. 2.361 gallons Jan 3 2021. peak 5.803 Jun 13 2022 Current 4.175,

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Errr...ok, but you said "Since Biden became president" and that was Jan 2021. And their may have been an extenuating situation(please tell me people haven't forgotten already) contributing to rock bottom gas prices in May of 2020 anyway, so it's a pretty weird date to chose. But also inaccurate for your statement. I also assume we are going with today's prices, not a peak caused by another global situation...

I'm talking about recency bias. So if you suggest that people in my area didn't pay under $2 for gasoline under Trump and over $5 under Biden, I don't know what to say to you. What people remember is usually not an accurate reflection of what really hapoens

[PepsiFree]

It’s important we frame literally every conversation as one with a winner and a loser. That’s how normal people in real life discuss things.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

C'mon now take the loss here. It's silly to fact check a statement that was used as a loose reference discussion point about the current economic situation in the US yet is literally and factually true simply because it hurts a narrative. Now you are using excuses when your fact check backfired.

Did gas prices double since Biden took office? Yes. It's a fact that can be corroborated. Are they currently double? No but they are close.

Is Biden responsible for the increase? No. Does that matter to Americans? No (EldrickOnIce's argument)

Also one important note that you failed to mention in the series of excuses is that Biden sold off nearly half of the US's SPR at a historical unprecedented rate just to make his administration not appear ineffective and are at their lowest level since 1983.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...s=mcsstus1&f=m

Please tell me you haven't forgotten already.

I can't believe I have to do this, but for #### sakes, if you are going to be a goddamned idiot and tell me to take the loss, I'm not going to walk away.







If you want to tell me what kind of math makes $2.420 half of 3.576 I'm all ears.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I'm talking about recency bias. So if you suggest that people in my area didn't pay under $2 for gasoline under Trump and over $5 under Biden, I don't know what to say to you. What people remember is usually not an accurate reflection of what really hapoens

OK, and that's an argument that can be made. It's just that what you stated initially wasn't that at all. But it's also a silly argument to take 2 extremes influenced by events out of either president's control and use them as endpoints to say Biden is worse for gas prices. I understand people view the world in utter simplicity like that and ignore all facts, logic and reason, and that these people will vote for Donald Trump because of it. Repeating stuff like that doesn't help. Pointing out the flawed reasoning has value for the few people left on earth concerned with those sorts of details.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I understand people view the world in utter simplicity like that and ignore all facts, logic and reason, and that these people will vote for Donald Trump because of it.

Evergreen comic:

[MoneyGuy]

That’s about right.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

OK, and that's an argument that can be made. It's just that what you stated initially wasn't that at all. But it's also a silly argument to take 2 extremes influenced by events out of either president's control and use them as endpoints to say Biden is worse for gas prices. I understand people view the world in utter simplicity like that and ignore all facts, logic and reason, and that these people will vote for Donald Trump because of it. Repeating stuff like that doesn't help. Pointing out the flawed reasoning has value for the few people left on earth concerned with those sorts of details.

Never suggested it wasn't flawed reasoning. Just said the guy who now works two jobs, that's what he remembers. He's not a deplorable. He's probably a good guy. He should care about other things, and he does to a degree. Mostly he is just worried about his family. Couple that with the fact that this is the first time in about 60 years there hasn't been a Clinton, Bush or Biden on the presidential ticket, and it just reinforces that it is always the same people doing the same things. So that, unfortunately, adds to Trump's appeal.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I can't believe I have to do this, but for #### sakes, if you are going to be a goddamned idiot and tell me to take the loss, I'm not going to walk away.



If you want to tell me what kind of math makes $2.420 half of 3.576 I'm all ears.

What are your thoughts on Biden selling off half the SPR?

And where the heck are you getting 3.576 from when the poster used Chicago and the EIA's chart as a reference point? (your IMG link is broken btw so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here). Numbers provided prior and date points are straight from the EIA.


The poster is literally based out of Chicago, tells you his experience made a general statement and backed it up with government numbers validating his claim as factual after you wrongfully fact checked him and you are still arguing with him. You snottily came to fact check for no other reason than it did not fit your narrative.

He didn't even blame Biden for it (neither did I), he just said that's the sentiment whether rightly or wrongly attributed. You can't accept it for some reason.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

What are your thoughts on Biden selling off half the SPR?

And where the heck are you getting 3.576 from when the poster used Chicago and the EIA's chart as a reference point? (your IMG link is broken btw so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here). Numbers provided prior and date points are straight from the EIA.


The poster is literally based out of Chicago, tells you his experience made a general statement and backed it up with government numbers validating his claim as factual after you wrongfully fact checked him and you are still arguing with him. You snottily came to fact check for no other reason than it did not fit your narrative.

He didn't even blame Biden for it (neither did I), he just said that's the sentiment whether rightly or wrongly attributed. You can't accept it for some reason.

No, I definitely can not do it with you. Man alive. Read Eldrick's original post.

Since Biden became president the price of food has gone up 50%, the price of gas has doubled, and interest rates are 4x what they were.

No reference to Chicago specifically, and a distinct easily identifiable starting date.


And my image link works fine, must be user error on your part. I've got no problem with having a discussion with Eldrick as he explained his point. You? Ugh. Plz stop.

[topfiverecords]

TIL that the President and the Prime Minister sets the price of gas each morning.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I think people keep glossing over the difference between having what it takes to serve as president, and having what it takes to win an election. They are two different things.

Unfortunately, this is a truth in life. There are people who can sell themselves better than competent people or people capable of growth. It's a major flaw with the interview process. In most jobs and professional programs, an applicant will get 30 minutes to sell themselves. It doesn't necessarily mean they are going to be more competent, despite the interviewer's ego telling them they are adapt at picking the right candidates.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

No, I definitely can not do it with you. Man alive. Read Eldrick's original post.





No reference to Chicago specifically, and a distinct easily identifiable starting date.


And my image link works fine, must be user error on your part. I've got no problem with having a discussion with Eldrick as he explained his point. You? Ugh. Plz stop.

Keep going for entertainment’s sake, if you don’t mind.

So far he’s tried to turn a totally normal conversation between two people who aren’t him into a “winner/loser” scenario and he’s used what he calls a “meme” (what we call images/gifs) after mocking the use of them last week, clearly showing he was coming from a place of insecurity and wanting to be seen as clever and cool.

I need to see what’s next. I figured you’ve got another 5-10 posts in you to keep his charade going.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Keep going for entertainment’s sake, if you don’t mind.

So far he’s tried to turn a totally normal conversation between two people who aren’t him into a “winner/loser” scenario and he’s used what he calls a “meme” (what we call images/gifs) after mocking the use of them last week, clearly showing he was coming from a place of insecurity and wanting to be seen as clever and cool.

I need to see what’s next. I figured you’ve got another 5-10 posts in you to keep his charade going.

You're projecting your own stamina for internet arguments onto others here.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Keep going for entertainment’s sake, if you don’t mind.

So far he’s tried to turn a totally normal conversation between two people who aren’t him into a “winner/loser” scenario and he’s used what he calls a “meme” (what we call images/gifs) after mocking the use of them last week, clearly showing he was coming from a place of insecurity and wanting to be seen as clever and cool.

I need to see what’s next. I figured you’ve got another 5-10 posts in you to keep his charade going.

I was wondering how many more times he's going to ask my opinion on Biden and the SPE, which somehow became super relevant along the way.