Official 2024 Copa America Thread

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Can you guys please stop quoting the idiotic troll? If we all put the stupid trolls on ignore, they disappear.

I won't quote directly, but want to address the Trapattoni comment from the poster in question. I think Trapattoni is a bum. Yeah he won lots of titles in the 70's and 80's with stacked Inter and Juve teams, but he was not a good coach for Italy. More focused on his scheme than how to make the most of the players he had. Then when he went to Ireland he went to like one Euro? Canada can do better than these recycled clowns.

My Nonno and my Dad love Trap, but he is trash.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Mephisto

I won't quote directly, but want to address the Trapattoni comment from the poster in question. I think Trapattoni is a bum. Yeah he won lots of titles in the 70's and 80's with stacked Inter and Juve teams, but he was not a good coach for Italy. More focused on his scheme than how to make the most of the players he had. Then when he went to Ireland he went to like one Euro? Canada can do better than these recycled clowns.

My Nonno and my Dad love Trap, but he is trash.

He was a Thierry Henry handball away from taking Ireland to the World Cup. He’s the best manager in history not named Alex Ferguson, and has the CV to back my claim.

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

He was a Thierry Henry handball away from taking Ireland to the World Cup. He’s the best manager in history not named Alex Ferguson, and has the CV to back my claim.

Joke. Ireland would have got waxed in that world cup. He wasn't taking them anywhere.

[MegaErtz]

France got waxed in that World Cup. Ireland went undefeated in the qualifiers.

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

France got waxed in that World Cup. Ireland went undefeated in the qualifiers.

Yeah, but they didn't score enough...Trapattoni problem through the years coaching National Teams

[MegaErtz]

Ireland gave up eight goals in ten qualifiers, including two draws with the reigning world champion Italians. I was at the match in Dublin when Ireland were a minute away from victory.

He is tactical genius and if Canada had a guy like him in charge, this group of players would be able to achieve so much more. Too many supporters are happy with just being there, as if that means something. The last World Cup was the same. Everyone was just happy that Canada was playing Belgium, and ignored the fact that they could have won with some tactical tweaks.

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Ireland gave up eight goals in ten qualifiers, including two draws with the reigning world champion Italians. I was at the match in Dublin when Ireland were a minute away from victory.

He is tactical genius and if Canada had a guy like him in charge, this group of players would be able to achieve so much more. Too many supporters are happy with just being there, as if that means something. The last World Cup was the same. Everyone was just happy that Canada was playing Belgium, and ignored the fact that they could have won with some tactical tweaks.

Trapattoni prevented Ireland from going further. This is the last person Canada needs. You sound like his agent.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Joke. Ireland would have got waxed in that world cup. He wasn't taking them anywhere.

Yep.

This was a common theme of discussion on RTE following Ireland games under Trapatoni’s tenure.

https://youtu.be/R2CB-D7r5U4?si=7jbWC0cooS_jXJj4

[Bagor]

Great. Now he's suggesting getting the Joe Biden of soccer.

Ireland were absolutely crap under him. Unwatchable. Useless.

[MegaErtz]

Trap is 85 years old and not in good health. The Joe Biden comparison is salient. What I mean is that Canada would be better served by a more conservative gameplan and manager. Sending them out the way both Herdman and Marsch do is crazy, it leave so many open spaces for good counterattacking teams to exploit. The reality is that Canada never had a chance last night because of the way the team was set up.

[cSpooge]

IF Canada was going to go out and get a big name coach it would be Ancelotti since he has stated he is intrigued by the prospect of coaching Canada and he spends his offseasons in Vancouver since his wife is from there. But realistically there is no way in hell we could afford him.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

I think Jesse Marsch is just about the biggest name coach that would entertain coaching Canada. Coaches in PL, Bundesliga, won the Austrian league. I know the concerns and how he didn’t have success in Leeds or Leipzig, but if he did have more success there’s no way he’d be here.

Canada (and the USA) are not going out and getting top tier coaches. Let’s give Marsch a chance to get his system installed and see more players in it to see which ones excel and which ones don’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if, for example, Larin becomes a role player going forward and there’s probably more like him who’s roles will changes in the coming months/years

[Slava]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Trap is 85 years old and not in good health. The Joe Biden comparison is salient. What I mean is that Canada would be better served by a more conservative gameplan and manager. Sending them out the way both Herdman and Marsch do is crazy, it leave so many open spaces for good counterattacking teams to exploit. The reality is that Canada never had a chance last night because of the way the team was set up.

So they didn't score enough, according to your posts, and also they were set up to attack too much last night. That's some great analysis. Next we'll hear that Canada ought to have won because the best player for Argentina plays in MLS?

[SuperMatt18]

It's irrelevant because it's not like Trapattoni is going to be Canada's next manager.

But I hated him as Italy's manager.

Wasted absolutely stacked teams in both 2002 and 2004.

He had a core that included Buffon, Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Totti, Del Piero, Vieri, Inzaghi, Gattuso, Pirlo, Cammoranesi, Di Baggio, etc at his disposal.

And he went out in the round of 16, and the group stages at those two tournaments.

In 2000 they lost to France in the finals with Zoff, in 2006 they won the whole thing with Lippi, but they wasted the two tournaments with Trappatoni in what should have been that core's best peformances.

[GirlySports]

Old foreign coaches sometimes lose touch with this generation and cultural differences. I can't see a young squad like Canada listening to an old coach.

I'll give you a recent example. Vietnam. Vietnam had an obscure Korean coach who was Hiddink's assistant in 2002. He took them to unseen levels from 2016 to 2022. Beating rival Thailand consistently, 4th place at the Asian Games, quarterfinals at the Asian Cup, finalist at the Asian U-20s, qualifying for the U20 World Cup, final round of World Cup qualifying. All firsts.

Vietnam wanted to go to the next level, with the expanded Asian and World Cup, and hired Phillipe Troussier. He didn't even last 1 year. Lost 3 consecutive times to minnows Indonesia (ranked 145), including 3-0 in Hanoi, once a fortress, and already knocked out of the 2026 World Cup. His style of play was easily neutralized by modern coaches.

https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/sports/2...sia/79019.html

[Matty81]

For me it's a moot point... I am really proud of Canada but let's be realistic, that's one of the best national teams ever possibly that they played. Canada is a developing soccer nation still, look at our U20 roster right now for this critical qualifying tournament for the world cup, our talent pipeline is just not that good compared to any other nation around the top 40. It's a bunch of MLS B and C teamers with a small handful of euro youth teamers and CPL players mixed in - we will be lucky to qualify probably and there is little to no help coming in the short term except maybe Costa

My opinion is that no manager will allow us to beat Argentina in a semi of a major tourney right now with our roster and talent pool, excepting maybe the 1/20 fluke result. If we were going to go down, at least Marsch is the kind of manager who encourages positive entertaining play. He was a train wreck at Leeds but I've like the confidence and aggression he's bought to Canada and am fine with him until 2026.

We're stuck with the players we've got and he plays to our strength which is keeping the ball and attacking while building their confidence. Our centre backs are bad and bunkering or playing more conservative with this team is a recipe for disaster.

[MegaErtz]

So it turns out my bookie thought that when I asked for fifty dimes on Canada, I meant $5, not fifty grand. He said he thought it was odd that I bet a whole new $5 on them when I saw that Bombito was in the lineup. Couldn't understand why I was so excited.

[Locke]

In this day and age of gambling websites and apps and such....who has a 'bookie' anymore?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Having a bookie, and wanting 10 men behind the ball. I am guessing MegaErtz is 76.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Having a bookie, and wanting 10 men behind the ball. I am guessing MegaErtz is 76.

...with dementia.