[News] LeBrun/Dreger - Flames open for Business

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Update on this. The Flames ranked 2nd, next to only Dallas
Just imagine what they could do with more picks. The amateur scouting is the strength of the org. They need to play into that not against it

That sounds about right. I don’t have the Athletic but nobody hits on picks at a consistently high level like the Flames amateur scouts.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Update on this. The Flames ranked 2nd, next to only Dallas
Just imagine what they could do with more picks. The amateur scouting is the strength of the org. They need to play into that not against it

My rankings had the Flames 4th behind Carolina, Tampa and Dallas. Eiher way, people who claim the Flames are terrible at drafing clearly haven't actually looked into it

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Update on this. The Flames ranked 2nd, next to only Dallas
Just imagine what they could do with more picks. The amateur scouting is the strength of the org. They need to play into that not against it

I’m glad there is a source on this now. Some people still think the drafting is garbage because of the Sutter years.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I’m glad there is a source on this now. Some people still think the drafting is garbage because of the Sutter years.

That's to be expected. Some people still think the Oilers are Cup favourites because of the Sather years.

[traptor]

Are the flames going to be closed for business soon? I sure hope not...

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

Are the flames going to be closed for business soon? I sure hope not...

I hope they win 10 straight but that's just me

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I hope they win 10 straight but that's just me

Not sure what that has to do with what I said but good for you.

[GioforPM]

If the sale happens, next year isn’t that grim, at least up front:

Zary-Kadri-Pospisil
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Dube-Coronato-Sharangovich
Duehr-Ruzicka-Greer. And they need to make a top 9 spot for Pelletier.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

You do have Kadri twice.

If the sale happens, and I hope it does, next year they'll probably suck too and that's okay.

[kobasew19]

Doubleshifting Kadri!

I’ve been saying this frequently, it won’t be a full rebuild but more of a retool. We have solid prospects that are playing and vets that are locked up medium to long term.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Update on this. The Flames ranked 2nd, next to only Dallas
Just imagine what they could do with more picks. The amateur scouting is the strength of the org. They need to play into that not against it

It was interesting to note they mentioned the Flames had the second fewest picks during this timeframe.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It was interesting to note they mentioned the Flames had the second fewest picks during this timeframe.

The wizard was in a hurry , they have a limited time window

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by kobasew19

I’ve been saying this frequently, it won’t be a full rebuild but more of a retool. We have solid prospects that are playing and vets that are locked up medium to long term.

with how Sharangovich, Zary and Pospisil have turned out and Coronato/Pelletier/Wolf ready to jump in, a retool is definitely the way to go.

It will mostly be just rebuilding the blue line with the departures of Tanev and Zadorov. I still think we re-sign Hanifin.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

You do have Kadri twice.

If the sale happens, and I hope it does, next year they'll probably suck too and that's okay.

D’oh. That’s Backlund.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMike

with how Sharangovich, Zary and Pospisil have turned out and Coronato/Pelletier/Wolf ready to jump in, a retool is definitely the way to go.

It will mostly be just rebuilding the blue line with the departures of Tanev and Zadorov. I still think we re-sign Hanifin.

The only issue is the lineup doesn’t have anyone close to elite, unless Huberdeau gets back to over PPG again. It will be a good team but not really a top team. That is, unless they can really mine the picks they get in the trades (which will include firsts but not high ones).

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Yupy, still no true elite talent, and you do that through the draft. The good thing is they have some excellent pieces to build around that player, if and when they get it

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The only issue is the lineup doesn’t have anyone close to elite, unless Huberdeau gets back to over PPG again. It will be a good team but not really a top team. That is, unless they can really mine the picks they get in the trades (which will include firsts but not high ones).

You have to hope for one to break out, or Honzek. I wouldn't count out Zary or Coronato to turn into a legit top line player.

And if one of those players turns out to be elite, its going to be Wolf that will have the biggest impact.

[Badgers Nose]

We have a few NHL calibre defensemen still on the wranglers.

But it’s going to to grim in the minors next season with so many graduations.

Better enjoy the Wranglers this season.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It was interesting to note they mentioned the Flames had the second fewest picks during this timeframe.

There's some other interesting items in there
+18 hit rate for top 10 picks
-11 hit rate for 1st round picks
-1 hit rate for 2nd round picks
+32 for mid draft
+3 for late round

So basically they have been really good with the few top 10 picks they've had + elite with mid round picks.

They've struggled with mid to late first round picks: though encouraging signs lately with the likes of Zary, Pelletier and Coronato.

In contrast Dallas is #1 because their hit rate in the 2nd round is elite (+26).

[timun]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That does not follow at all, unless you are contending that Binnington also has no value without salary retention.

Gee willikers, I think what you're contending is that an inconsistent goalie on the wrong side of 30, who is the *checks notes* fifth highest paid active goalie in the NHL, would be much more enticing as a tradeable asset if the team currently holding his rights retained some of his cap hit.




That's exactly what I'm contending, Jay. I'll come clean: I don't really believe Jordan Binnington is an objectively better goalie than Jacob Markstrom. I only said so to elicit further comparison, and let others figure out for themselves that Markstrom is a thoroughly mediocre goaltending option (just like Binnington) and there would be few suitors for a trade.

ComixZone's assessment was bang-on, all along, and people arguing otherwise are deluding themselves.