[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[atb]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I know everyone wants scorched earth but you do need to have a semblance of a team to build around to keep it from going Buffalo/Edmonton.

Add in the team's likely wish to change the narrative (everyone is leaving!) and maybe you bet on a good person/player to age well and keep him around.

Won't be a popular direction if they take it, but I at least see some logic in it.

I agree with the sentiment, only issue is trading Lindholm likely results in the biggest return in picks/prospects to help move along the retool/build. His contract and timing with what's available on the UFA market makes it look like the Flame could make off like bandits.

[PeteMoss]

Besides a need for instant gratification - what does it matter if they trade Lindholm or anyone by/during the draft?

You probably get a better futures return if you wait - team's are more protective of their draft picks when they know where they will pick and who they might get then some mystery pick in the future.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Besides a need for instant gratification - what does it matter if they trade Lindholm or anyone by/during the draft?

Like anything else, I think it's just that knowing is typically better than not knowing.

I mean, you're right that if not knowing means a better result once you do know, then that's the way to do it... but it doesn't the change "need" (read: want) to know.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Besides a need for instant gratification - what does it matter if they trade Lindholm or anyone by/during the draft?

You probably get a better futures return if you wait - team's are more protective of their draft picks when they know where they will pick and who they might get then some mystery pick in the future.

Whoever picks up Lindholm (or any of the other players rumored to be on the move), is probably going to be giving up picks in the second half of the first round. This year's first round is deeper than usual, so the chances of getting an impact player with that later first round pick is higher than if the picks exchanged for next year.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Whoever picks up Lindholm (or any of the other players rumored to be on the move), is probably going to be giving up picks in the second half of the first round. This year's first round is deeper than usual, so the chances of getting an impact player with that later first round pick is higher than if the picks exchanged for next year.

The teams trading for Lindholm are equally aware of that. Hence the reluctance to trade them.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The teams trading for Lindholm are equally aware of that. Hence the reluctance to trade them.

Yeah, no one is tricking anyone.
But we have a valuable asset, and if a team is reluctant to give up a pick this year in return, then they're probably not getting the deal done. Maybe the flames are willing to let the deal roll past the draft and take picks from next year, but if a team really wants Lindholm, they might not want to take that gamble.

[Roof-Daddy]

Keep Lindholm (at a fair price hopefully)
Trade Hanifin, Toffoli, Backlund, Vladar, Zadorov for futures
Fill in the roster with younger players from those trades and from within
Use cap space as an asset to acquire more futures rather than spend it on over priced, past their prime UFAs

Not a bad plan IMO

Might be able to turn it around quickly with some of the vets still here, strong C depth, a goaltending bounce back and if some of the youth pops.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Whoever picks up Lindholm (or any of the other players rumored to be on the move), is probably going to be giving up picks in the second half of the first round. This year's first round is deeper than usual, so the chances of getting an impact player with that later first round pick is higher than if the picks exchanged for next year.

I guess the equation for the Flames is:

Known late 1st round pick this year

or

1st round pick next year - 90% likely late 1st round pick.


But you've got that 10% shot that it ends up being a high pick. Think - the leafs traded a 1st round pick that ended up being Scott Neidermayer, or the Sharks trading a 1st round before they tanked to Ottawa for Karlsson that ended up being 3rd overall (Stutzle)

[Torture]

Come on Conroy....dooooo something

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Torture

Come on Conroy....dooooo something

Patience young padawan.

The best offer is likely to come at 11:59, and possibly mid draft.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Torture

Come on Conroy....dooooo something

Unless the offers get better I would rather he didn't. I have no Intel on what the offers he has received on some players are but I have been told they are pretty lowball.

[midniteowl]

Teams are trying to take advantage of a rookie GM, I hope Conny just wait them out.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Yeah, no one is tricking anyone.
But we have a valuable asset, and if a team is reluctant to give up a pick this year in return, then they're probably not getting the deal done. Maybe the flames are willing to let the deal roll past the draft and take picks from next year, but if a team really wants Lindholm, they might not want to take that gamble.

I guess time will tell, but I think any team with a draft pick up to, say 20, will be exceptionally reluctant to trade that pick.

While Lindholm is a good player for sure, giving up a very good prospect (with that pick) for the privilege of paying Lindholm $9M+ into his late thirties may not be every team's cup of tea.

I expect Calgary is well prepared to wait until after the draft if they don't get a deal they like. They certainly need to be.

This trade period is completely different than most, so I find it hard to get a read on it.

The Calgary UFA's to be are very good players, and the UFA market is exceedingly week.

The lack of cap space makes every trade tougher to negotiate. We've seen viable players given away simply for cap space.

The strength of the 2023 draft makes teams very reluctant to part with draft picks.

You put that in a shaker and I'm not sure what rolls out.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I guess time will tell, but I think any team with a draft pick up to, say 20, will be exceptionally reluctant to trade that pick.

While Lindholm is a good player for sure, giving up a very good prospect (with that pick) for the privilege of paying Lindholm $9M+ into his late thirties may not be every team's cup of tea.

I expect Calgary is well prepared to wait until after the draft if they don't get a deal they like. They certainly need to be.

This trade period is completely different than most, so I find it hard to get a read on it.

The Calgary UFA's to be are very good players, and the UFA market is exceedingly week.

The lack of cap space makes every trade tougher to negotiate. We've seen viable players given away simply for cap space.

The strength of the 2023 draft makes teams very reluctant to part with draft picks.

You put that in a shaker and I'm not sure what rolls out.

I would suggest any team which believes Lindy would put them into the "serious contender for a Cup" mix, would gladly trade away a very good prospect for him, even if it means paying him $9MM for 8 years.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I would suggest any team which believes Lindy would put them into the "serious contender for a Cup" mix, would gladly trade away a very good prospect for him, even if it means paying him $9MM for 8 years.

I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

[868904]

Originally Posted by atb

I agree with the sentiment, only issue is trading Lindholm likely results in the biggest return in picks/prospects to help move along the retool/build. His contract and timing with what's available on the UFA market makes it look like the Flame could make off like bandits.

There really isn't any guarantee about this right?

While many Flames fans think Lindholm is worth more than Dubois, there is a reasonable argument that Dubois is the more valuable asset given age and size.

I really don't think Edwards is going to approve (I don't blame him, it's his money) a Lindholm for picks and prospects deal so the Dubois return is what we are realistically looking at.

So is the Dubois return acceptable to the Flames fans?

Would you rather have the Dubois return or would you rather have Lindholm locked up at $9 per for 8 years?

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1674149007579553795

Huh?

[868904]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1674149007579553795

Huh?

Lindholm’s camp to Flames: we want more than market value.

Lindholms’s camp to media lackeys; the ball is in the Flames court.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1674149007579553795

Huh?

Perhaps this means Lindholm’s camp has countered?

That’s pretty cool if true. That’s Lindholm giving the Flames his take on a contract he’d sign, so the Flames now have the info to act (either way).

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"I'll re-sign for $10mil/yr"