Sutter is the problem

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Delthefunky

And Sutter wasn't the reason we lost to the Oilers, that was all Markstrom. We had multiple, multiple goal leads and he blew all of them.

I mean, Sutter could have thrown Vladar in there at some point, even for only a period or two. Instead he just stood there. Rolled his lines and kept Markstrom in goal. Some of the blame falls on him.

[just_tim]

No matter what, Sutter as a coach has an expiry date. That was even discussed when he was hired. It has arrived a bit earlier than his normal runway

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

No but they are playing Sutter’s defensive system and it’s not working.

Sutter's defensive systems are pretty tried and true. If the players aren't executing on that side of things, that's on on them.

I can see some valid criticisms of Sutter, but not being able to provide a solid defensive system isn't one of them.

[ComixZone]

Boomer on the Barn Burner:

What I'm hearing is there are some players that have said "I'm not coming back if this guy is behind the bench - I'm !@#$ing done."

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Boomer on the Barn Burner:

What a mess.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Boomer on the Barn Burner:

Is that an official trade request? Cause most of y'all under contract.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Boomer on the Barn Burner:

These must be some of the guys on (soon) expiring deals like Lindholm, Hanifin if they're saying they're not coming back. If true then fire Sutter to the sun, it's over for him.

[SuperMatt18]

I said it earlier but that was always going to be the biggest issue this offseason for Sutter.

If Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli, Tanev, Zadorov, Backlund indicate they aren't willing to re-sign with Sutter as head coach then that will cost him his job.

Especially if there were indications that part of the reason Tkachuk wanted out was Sutter (which I've heard was part of the reason).

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Boomer on the Barn Burner:

Unless that's Toffoli, Backlund, or maybe Vladar, anyone who has said that shouldn't be back either way. Players who look like they've quit on the ice and sound like they've quit in the dressing room aren't guys to rebuild with. Toxic relationships should just be moved on from.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Is that an official trade request? Cause most of y'all under contract.

Wouldn’t be crazy to me if that specifically feeds into Steinberg’s comments on Lindholm’s desire to sign an extension being viewed as uncertain from the organization’s perspective.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Is that true? I'd expect a GM contract to have a firm calendar end date in the contract and not just the arbitrary end of the season.

Yeah, I have no idea on actual date. If he doesn't have new contract he won't be firing coaches though.

[Manhattanboy]

What a cluster****.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I mean, Sutter could have thrown Vladar in there at some point, even for only a period or two. Instead he just stood there. Rolled his lines and kept Markstrom in goal. Some of the blame falls on him.

Yes, he (and other coaches) "could have"...but he also could leave them all in place and say "You created this mess tonight...you clean it up and help out your goalie." And they didn't do that either.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Boomer on the Barn Burner:

[Major Major]

Just for fun... Huberdeau and Kadri want out. Can a deal be facilitated with 1 million retained for either player? What about Markstrom? Obviously very difficult trades to make, but I do wonder about Huberdeau to Montreal, Kadri to Colorado and Markstrom to Carolina.

[MrMike]

Well #### it, if we aren’t going to win games, I hope the blowouts keep coming.

[TheScorpion]

But hey, maybe ... a half-dozen different insiders ... are all lying to create a narrative about some kind of conflict in the Flames' dressing room.

[HighLifeMan]

This whole noncommunicative, stubborn, me vs the team approach is so laughably out of tune with where the game and this age of players is at. You need your players to play for you, not against you.

It's a bad work environment and that rests on the shoulders of the man running the room. They are not enjoying going to the rink.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Just for fun... Huberdeau and Kadri want out. Can a deal be facilitated with 1 million retained for either player? What about Markstrom? Obviously very difficult trades to make, but I do wonder about Huberdeau to Montreal, Kadri to Colorado and Markstrom to Carolina.

Why would you choose a coach whom has had little to no success in the past decade over a player coming off an 115 point season, and a center who was instrumental in winning the Stanley cup last year?

Darryl needs to go.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Just for fun... Huberdeau and Kadri want out. Can a deal be facilitated with 1 million retained for either player? What about Markstrom? Obviously very difficult trades to make, but I do wonder about Huberdeau to Montreal, Kadri to Colorado and Markstrom to Carolina.

Nope.

You fire the coach before you sell low on all three of those players.

People all talk about "This team got Hartley, Gulutzan, and Peters/Ward fired, you can't let the inmates run the asylum".

The only player on this roster that played for Hartley is Backlund.

The only players that played as a regular for Gulutzan were Backlund and Stone.

This isn't the same team, and it's not a young team like it was in 15-16 when Hartley was fired. It's a team of respected veterans with Huberdeau, Kadri, Lindholm, Toffoli, Tanev, Backlund, Coleman, Lewis, Lucic all being respected veterans across the league.

If those guys say the coach and his way of dealing/communicating with players is the issue then you trust them.