It's in Victoria Park, not the East Village at all.
The East Village was well on its way to being redeveloped before Nenshi was elected. If anything, it was Bronconnier's baby.
Calgary's main arena has been in roughly the same location for over a century. First, it was the Victoria Arena (which sat pretty much where the Saddledome is), then it was the Corral, then the Saddledome. To suggest that's the best place for Calgary to build an arena isn't exactly thinking outside the box.
In fact, before CSEC bought the Stamps, they were all gung-ho on that exact location. I remember going to a STH event in either 2010 or 2011 where Ken King said he had blueprints in his desk for a building "a couple blocks north of here" that he was excited to make public when the time was right.
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It's in Victoria Park, not the East Village at all.
The East Village was well on its way to being redeveloped before Nenshi was elected. If anything, it was Bronconnier's baby.
Calgary's main arena has been in roughly the same location for over a century. First, it was the Victoria Arena (which sat pretty much where the Saddledome is), then it was the Corral, then the Saddledome. To suggest that's the best place for Calgary to build an arena isn't exactly thinking outside the box.
In fact, before CSEC bought the Stamps, they were all gung-ho on that exact location. I remember going to a STH event in either 2010 or 2011 where Ken King said he had blueprints in his desk for a building "a couple blocks north of here" that he was excited to make public when the time was right.
Fun fact: the original Calgary arena was a converted roller rink at 17th Ave and Centre Street, Sherman Rink. When the structure burnt down, they salvaged the boards and relocated everything to the other side of the street and operated as an outdoor rink (no ice plant) until the Victoria Arena was built, at which point they salvaged what they could and moved it a couple blocks over to Stampede Park.
Fun fact: the original Calgary arena was a converted roller rink at 17th Ave and Centre Street, Sherman Rink. When the structure burnt down, they salvaged the boards and relocated everything to the other side of the street and operated as an outdoor rink (no ice plant) until the Victoria Arena was built, at which point they salvaged what they could and moved it a couple blocks over to Stampede Park.
Also, the Victoria Arena building was originally built as a temporary arena by the Army. They were using Stampede Park as a camp prior to/during the First World War. The city agreed to let the Army use the land temporarily as long as they returned it to its original state when they were done.
When the Army was set to leave Stampede Park after the war, they were going to tear down the arena, but city council decided it would be perfect to be used as a public arena, so they told the Army to leave it and spent a million dollars to renovate it for public use (a decent chunk of change in 1918).
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Also, the Victoria Arena building was originally built as a temporary arena by the Army. They were using Stampede Park as a camp prior to/during the First World War. The city agreed to let the Army use the land temporarily as long as they returned it to its original state when they were done.
When the Army was set to leave Stampede Park after the war, they were going to tear down the arena, but city council decided it would be perfect to be used as a public arena, so they told the Army to leave it and spent a million dollars to renovate it for public use (a decent chunk of change in 1918).
Victoria Arena also BURNT DOWN a little while after the Corral opened, making the decommissioning of the Corral the first time a major Calgary arena was actually life-cycled as intended.
On a Tuesday night in January? Sounds ####ing miserable.
Have you stepped outside lately? It's actually quite pleasant for much of the winter, even if you aren't a nutter.
Riding in truly cold weather isn't a cold problem, it's a money and convenience problem. It takes much longer to put all the gear for it, and then you have to take it off at the other end and store it somewhere.
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Have you stepped outside lately? It's actually quite pleasant for much of the winter, even if you aren't a nutter.
Riding in truly cold weather isn't a cold problem, it's a money and convenience problem. It takes much longer to put all the gear for it, and then you have to take it off at the other end and store it somewhere.
It's also an infrastructure problem.
If anybody is interested in urban design, I highly recommend Not Just Bike's videos. The one on speed limits is a personal favourite.
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It's in Victoria Park, not the East Village at all.
The East Village was well on its way to being redeveloped before Nenshi was elected. If anything, it was Bronconnier's baby.
Calgary's main arena has been in roughly the same location for over a century. First, it was the Victoria Arena (which sat pretty much where the Saddledome is), then it was the Corral, then the Saddledome. To suggest that's the best place for Calgary to build an arena isn't exactly thinking outside the box.
In fact, before CSEC bought the Stamps, they were all gung-ho on that exact location. I remember going to a STH event in either 2010 or 2011 where Ken King said he had blueprints in his desk for a building "a couple blocks north of here" that he was excited to make public when the time was right.
When I say "baby" I don't mean it was Nenshi's idea. But it was something he pushed all the way thrugh his term. You are correct (and I said the same thing) that the arena isn't actually in EV. But certainly it is the vicinity and Nenshi wanted that whole east side developed first. It was a valid position.
I do think that there are problems with the area though. Just like WV is hampered by Bow trail, the terrain and the river, the east side has problems with rail lines, the river and Macleod Trail.
If anybody is interested in urban design, I highly recommend Not Just Bike's videos. The one on speed limits is a personal favourite.
Much of that video compares a city of 200k people to Toronto. How could a city like Toronto ever retrofit an infrastructure as described there? Even ignoring the distances needing to be travelled.
If anybody is interested in urban design, I highly recommend Not Just Bike's videos. The one on speed limits is a personal favourite.
I know we're getting way off topic, but I wanted to back this up.
Not Just Bikes makes fantastic content.
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Have you stepped outside lately? It's actually quite pleasant for much of the winter, even if you aren't a nutter.
It has been reasonable the last few weeks, but I also went to games in December in -20 °C weather, with bumps and bruises from having slipped on ice to show for it.
The point is that Monahammer's original statement, that ~1.3 km walk along the river path with buskers and "other things" "doesn't sound too bad", is only true in nice weather. There are lots of nights during the hockey season wherein a >1 km walk outside is horrendous.
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Riding in truly cold weather isn't a cold problem, it's a money and convenience problem. It takes much longer to put all the gear for it, and then you have to take it off at the other end and store it somewhere.
Who the hell is talking about 'riding'? I'm not riding a bicycle to a frickin' Flames game...
It has been reasonable the last few weeks, but I also went to games in December in -20 °C weather, with bumps and bruises from having slipped on ice to show for it.
The point is that Monahammer's original statement, that ~1.3 km walk along the river path with buskers and "other things" "doesn't sound too bad", is only true in nice weather. There are lots of nights during the hockey season wherein a >1 km walk outside is horrendous.
It's a shortish walk either way unless they build the arena right over a line. Frankly, the majority of people would be riding either train to the very closest stop - Sunalta or Stampede/Vic Park. Or driving, which is suboptimal.
When I would go to Flames games I would park over by the Deane House and walk along Nose Creek. It's a 1.6km walk. Not terrible, but below -15 it's not the most fun.
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Premier Danielle Smith warned about the potential relocation of the Calgary Flames on her Saturday radio show on QR Calgary.
When asked about why the province is supporting a new arena for the billionaire owners of the local NHL hockey team instead of a new hospital, the premier said it’s not an either-or situation. She also noted the efforts Quebec is going through to find a team for the provincially-funded Videotron Centre which has so far sat without an NHL tenant since opening in 2015.
“I do not want to see the Quebec Flames, I can tell you that much,” she said during her radio show. “So we’ve got to make sure that we do what we can to keep that team here.”
Smith said Quebec Premier Francois Legault told her at a recent meeting of first ministers that he is very keen to get a team back in Quebec City.
She did not say if there had been a threat by the team to re-locate or if she was purely looking back at historical precedents.
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The premier also said on Saturday that there had not been an official request to the province for funding or support, but they had been kept up to date on negotiations.
She needs a history lesson since it worked so well the last time a politician named Smith tried to buy votes in Calgary by carrying water for CSEC on the arena issue.
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