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Old 10-22-2013, 08:16 AM   #701
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The thing I love about Monohan is he is sneaky good getting into or creating scoring chances. It seems that when ever he does get a shot it is from a decent scoring area. He just has that uncanny nose for being in the right spot.
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:39 AM   #702
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Monahan's season is currently the 10th best goal scoring season of all-time using adjusted stats (pro-rated and adjusted to compare across eras). Is there anything this kid cannot do? Crosby better back the Fata up

http://www.hockey-reference.com/lead...ed_season.html

Not only is this garbage, but where is Wayne Gretzky's ACTUAL 92 goals?

Des it get adjusted down because he had the nerve to pay a whole season?

edit: oh, I see it is adjusted for era
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:48 AM   #703
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Seems like a just reward for the flames to get such a great player like Monahan after not tanking at the end of last season like all the other teams that finished below them.
Quoted for truth. I was one of those vocal guys all summer who complained nonstop about how Carolina, TB, etc out-tanked us. I wanted to kill Bégin for randomly scoring 2 goals. I wanted Feaster to trade up to get us in the top 4 at the draft.

But the lord works is mysterious ways. We couldn't have asked for a more mature, all-round player then Monahan. The kid is playing like a 10 year vet. He makes others around him better. He plays with heart and plays a team game. Mark my words, ending up with the 6th pick in the draft will be the best thing to happen to Calgary in years. It's still early, but I think we might have found our #1 center/franchise player.

And he's only going to get better
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:50 AM   #704
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So please keep that in mind before we go overboard and start proclaiming Sean as Connor McDavid quality here, and this is coming from a guy who has a Monahan jersey on the way, not hating on Sean at all, he's amazing too... but McDavid is on another level.
I don't see where this was said.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:07 AM   #705
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Kinda silly statistic to compare an 8 game streak extrapolated to a whole year vs players who have kept it up.
I think that's the whole point.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:12 AM   #706
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Lots of discussion on here about who's better... Money or MacKinnon

Would this have happened to Money? I don't think so...

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Old 10-22-2013, 09:20 AM   #707
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Lots of discussion on here about who's better... Money or MacKinnon

Would this have happened to Money? I don't think so...

MacKinnon is now a poor skater or what? This is a pretty silly argument over who is the better player.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:22 AM   #708
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lol Monahan is not better than MacKinnon. Not now, not at the start of the season, not at the draft.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:27 AM   #709
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lol Monahan is not better than MacKinnon. Not now, not at the start of the season, not at the draft.
Well technically right now he is.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:29 AM   #710
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Well technically right now he is.
Because points are the only stat that matters?
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:32 AM   #711
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Lots of discussion on here about who's better... Money or MacKinnon

Would this have happened to Money? I don't think so...

Seriously, why make such a big deal out of this? The kid just lost an edge... Its not like Crosby went full Datsyukian on MacKinnon.

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Old 10-22-2013, 09:46 AM   #712
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Don't know why we have to compare Monohan to the other draftees. Both are really good hockey players. One thing for certain, we can probably put to bed that silly comparisons based on draft position (we are only drafting 6th so we will be getting a Gagner type player). I think in any other draft Monohan would definitely would have been drafted higher.

I know it is early, but all signs are pointing to a potential elite player. It makes it that much sweeter when you hear how much Edmonton was spurned by not be able to get him.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:48 AM   #713
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Because points are the only stat that matters?
I have seen several of Colorado's games and I would say that Monahan has outplayed him so far.

(But I am not going to try and make the case that one player is better than the other after 8 games, or jump on the hyperbole train, I'm just responding to the point being discussed)
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:49 AM   #714
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I'm sure Crosby would have done that to 99% of the league, it was an amzing move. If Butler did something like that to MacKinnon it would be a different story. That belongs in the Crosby appreciation thread.

I think Monahan is better defensively thatn MacKinnon though but offensively I think I'd give the edge to MacKinnon.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:52 AM   #715
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Mahonen's intermission interview left me a bit puzzled.

No canned bs responses, no big unwarranted grin. Calmly and firmly talked about what they needed to do and how they needed to do it. Perhaps unaware, he challenged his teammates and talked with the authority of someone intent on following through (and pushing his teammates to do the same).

I was puzzled, because as he walked away, I noticed he wasn't wearing the 'C'. I could have sworn I was listening to a hybrid of E. Staal and Joe Sakic, detailing the demands they would place on their teammates.

Goddamn, Monahan is awesome.
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So when does the new church of Monahan (reformed) start up?
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MacKinnon is now a poor skater or what? This is a pretty silly argument over who is the better player.
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Seriously, why make such a big deal out of this? The kid just lost an edge... Its not like Crosby went full Datsyukian on MacKinnon.
I think there was some sarcasm in the post of the video...
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Mahonen's intermission interview left me a bit puzzled.

No canned bs responses, no big unwarranted grin. Calmly and firmly talked about what they needed to do and how they needed to do it. Perhaps unaware, he challenged his teammates and talked with the authority of someone intent on following through (and pushing his teammates to do the same).

I was puzzled, because as he walked away, I noticed he wasn't wearing the 'C'. I could have sworn I was listening to a hybrid of E. Staal and Joe Sakic, detailing the demands they would place on their teammates.

Goddamn, Monahan is awesome.
Thanked your post, but who is Mahonen? Do you have runaway autocorrect?
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:18 AM   #719
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I think a case for Monahan’s equality to MacKinnon can be made and his play these past few weeks for the Flames certainly strengthens it. Not saying he’s better, but a case can be made that he’s just as good. Of course then I may be biased as I’ve seen a lot more of Money’s play than I have of Mackinnon.

Anyways….

Monahan WAS drafted in 6th place, but was that because he was the 6th best player in the draft or because he had the misfortune to play for the sad sack Ottawa 67s who had a win % of 27.9?

Mackinnon was drafted #1. Was that because he was the best player in the draft or because he had the advantage of playing on the Memorial Cup champion Halifax Mooseheads which has a win % of 88.2?

Monahan scored 31 goals and the whole team only scored 208 goals. That means he scored approx. 15% of the teams goals.

MacKinnon scored 32 goals BUT the whole team scored 347 goals. That’s 9% of the team’s goals.

Its pretty obvious that MacKinnon had way more help getting where he is than Monahan had. Monahan virtually had to carry his team on his back.

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Old 10-22-2013, 10:21 AM   #720
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MacKinnon is now a poor skater or what? This is a pretty silly argument over who is the better player.
Sage... don't get your panties in a knot. Its all in fun. MacKinnon is a pretty damn good player.
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