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flylock shox · 01-27-2013, 10:56 AM

Boy, lots of future Flames peppered throughout the early part of that list of finalists.

Maybe we'd be better off if JG doesn't actually win the award...

BloodFetish · 01-27-2013, 11:57 AM

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Boy, lots of future Flames peppered throughout the early part of that list of finalists.

Maybe we'd be better off if JG doesn't actually win the award...

Not sure why Fotze has some players in red text. Adam Oates is in red, pretty sure he never was in the Flames system. Paul Ranheim, Jim Dowd and Craig Conroy are former Flames not in red text.

BloodFetish · 01-27-2013, 12:40 PM

Your momma!

jg13 · 02-03-2013, 09:59 AM

Johnny Gaudreau's father says Johnny will play at least another year at BC, maybe 2 years.

"There is maturation that still needs to happen, which is one of the reasons Gaudreau’s family is fighting off the advances by Calgary to get him into the NHL. His father says he will play at least his junior season in Chestnut Hill, and perhaps his senior as well."

http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/0...szO/story.html

Ashasx · 02-03-2013, 10:48 AM

Well, if we're not competing for the playoffs, there's no reason to bring him in any time soon.

Mitch · 02-03-2013, 10:59 AM

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Well, if we're not competing for the playoffs, there's no reason to bring him in any time soon.

If he was brought up he would be playing in the AHL rather then the NHL.

Calgary4LIfe · 02-03-2013, 11:11 AM

There is no point in rushing him. Let him just continue developing physically.

Ashasx · 02-03-2013, 11:12 AM

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If he was brought up he would be playing in the AHL rather then the NHL.

Then that'd be even sillier.

We don't need to burn a year on his contract for him to jump to a slightly better league that isn't the NHL.

Azure · 02-03-2013, 11:14 AM

Much less take away his chance to finish the educational side of his 4 years.

Mitch · 02-03-2013, 11:39 AM

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Then that'd be even sillier.

We don't need to burn a year on his contract for him to jump to a slightly better league that isn't the NHL.

"Slightly" better league is an understatement. Players that dominate a league move up to a better one, that's just how it works.

One way or the other Gaudreau is never going to jump straight to the NHL. He needs to get accustomed to the higher level of play and the compact schedules. The only reason he stays in the NCAA is to gain size and obviously his education. And he can gain size and focus more on the hockey side of things if he comes up to the AHL/NHL anyways.

Either way I take John Weisbrod's opinion over yours.

kirant · 02-03-2013, 11:55 AM

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Then that'd be even sillier.

We don't need to burn a year on his contract for him to jump to a slightly better league that isn't the NHL.

The schedule is the biggest thing Gaudreau would get in the AHL. The college rate is pretty light (mostly weekend games, no?).

If he has nothing to prove at the NCAA and is ready physically to take another step, let him come up. If he's not physically all there though, let him continue to develop.

Ashasx · 02-03-2013, 12:22 PM

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The schedule is the biggest thing Gaudreau would get in the AHL. The college rate is pretty light (mostly weekend games, no?).

If he has nothing to prove at the NCAA and is ready physically to take another step, let him come up. If he's not physically all there though, let him continue to develop.

I'm a little concerned about our minor league development right now, so I'd rather him stay with BC.

PantherExtreme · 02-03-2013, 02:58 PM

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Then that'd be even sillier.

We don't need to burn a year on his contract for him to jump to a slightly better league that isn't the NHL.

The flames situation with gaudreau is pretty binary at this point. You do everything you can to make him workout as a prospect as opposed to not. Contract status after hes already a star rfa is a pretty insignificant issue to bring up.

Mitch · 02-03-2013, 04:09 PM

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I'm a little concerned about our minor league development right now, so I'd rather him stay with BC.

lol

Ashasx · 02-03-2013, 04:12 PM

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lol

Abbotsford hasn't been pumping out much talent lately. Usually our prospects have good amateur years, but bust once they reach the pros. This has been going on for far to long with this organization, and I don't know how anyone can deny it.

Mitch · 02-03-2013, 04:23 PM

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Abbotsford hasn't been pumping out much talent lately. Usually our prospects have good amateur years, but bust once they reach the pros. This has been going on for far to long with this organization, and I don't know how anyone can deny it.

That is largely due to bad drafting, I cannot fathom how you could blame that on development staff. Transitioning to the pros is one of the toughest parts of the career path to the NHL and lots of players will bust.

Oh, and I'd like to see your list of players our current development staff have ruined. Because it amuses me how some people think that the staff can ruin some players while guys like Horak and Brodie can succeed. If a player was meant to have any meaningful impact in the NHL then an AHL development team will not stop them.

Ashasx · 02-03-2013, 04:29 PM

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That is largely due to bad drafting, I cannot fathom how you could blame that on development staff. Transitioning to the pros is one of the toughest parts of the career path to the NHL and lots of players will bust.

Oh, and I'd like to see your list of players our current development staff have ruined. Because it amuses me how some people think that the staff can ruin some players while guys like Horak and Brodie can succeed. If a player was meant to have any meaningful impact in the NHL then an AHL development team will not stop them.

Wahl, Nemisz, Howse... the list is long. By no means were these top prospects, but they all had very good years in the CHL.

This organization hasn't produced even a 50 point forward in a dozen years. I don't know how you can be satisfied. Even dumb luck should produce better results.

Mitch · 02-03-2013, 04:59 PM

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Wahl, Nemisz, Howse... the list is long. By no means were these top prospects, but they all had very good years in the CHL.

This organization hasn't produced even a 50 point forward in a dozen years. I don't know how you can be satisfied. Even dumb luck should produce better results.

Wahl was doing great until head injuries ultimately derailed him and he really hasn't been the same since.

Nemisz was never above ppg in the OHL and in two seasons in the AHL averaged above .5 ppg with some NHL time. You call that ruining a prospect? Ha.

The only thing Howse had going for him was his shot and coming into pro badly out of shape didn't help him at all. That's all on him.

For every player you say has been ruined by this development team the past 2 years I say one that has succeeded. Ryan Howse? Roman Horak. Mitch Wahl? TJ Brodie. Greg Nemisz? Lance Bouma. Sven Baertschi. Mikael Backlund. So my question to you is why can these players succeed under a seemingly "concerning development staff" and those players can't?

I agree that the rate of players that have been drafted by the flames that have succeeded has certainly been concerning that past decade but that has nothing to do with development staff. It is a result of trading our first and second round picks multiple times and all-round bad drafting. If John Gaudreau fails to make it into the NHL it won't be because of the development staff in the AHL, it will be because of his size.

Da_Chief · 02-03-2013, 05:31 PM

I agree with AshaX here. Prime example is Ferland. He may or may not be ready but he was handled really bad this year. ECHL, scratched, etc then he decided to get himself back into WHL.

That's exactly how you ruin a players confidence.

Hopefully it gets better.

moon · 02-03-2013, 06:01 PM

I think it is too early to decide what type of job Ward has done at developing guys but the fact that Horak, Brodie and Bouma are the guys being used as examples isn't really making a strong argument in his favor.

I think the real problem is that there hasn't been a lot of talent to develop and most guys have turned out to be what you would have expected out them so hard to get too down or up about prospect development at the AHL level.