The NBA . . . . . gone and forgotten

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Bosh spice jacking up 3's was a disgrace. Man up you ##### and play in the post. That's why it's hilarious when they are referred to as the big 3. It's two top players, and bum riding along.

#6 is a good player but he's not on a KD or Kobe level.

Agree on the first part. It's like the show..........2 and a half men.

Couldn't disagree more on the 2nd part. James and KD are the 2 best players at this moment in the NBA. Career wise of course Kobe is way ahead of them, but both of them are better players then Kobe at this moment.

Either Durant or James gets a ring. I am content either way as both are deserving.

Oh and Miami is losing because Dwayne Wade is playing like trash. He is not hitting shots and just shoots anyways.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by moon

Yep that 19-5 record with him in and a 6-5 record with him out sure shows what a bum he is.

Shocking they didn't sit him for that stud Haslem.

And switch Lebron and KD and the Heat are out versus Boston, maybe Indiana. Durant is great but he is not Lebron no matter what you try and pretend.

I do agree with you though when it comes to raping he certainly is not in Kobe's league but then nobody really is.

Why don't you go crawl back into the hole you came from. Put your Budweiser away and step away from the computer.

Kobe didn't rape that women, while he's banging women all over the world, why would he rape some nasty women. Plus she dropped charges, after the details came out of her.

This thread is about the finals.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Agree on the first part. It's like the show..........2 and a half men.

Couldn't disagree more on the 2nd part. James and KD are the 2 best players at this moment in the NBA. Career wise of course Kobe is way ahead of them, but both of them are better players then Kobe at this moment.

Either Durant or James gets a ring. I am content either way as both are deserving.

Oh and Miami is losing because Dwayne Wade is playing like trash. He is not hitting shots and just shoots anyways.

Durant is the best. Kobe is 2nd at age 33 he had a remarkable season.

Wade seems off, he is beat up and 30 now as well. He seems listless out there.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Durant is the best. Kobe is 2nd at age 33 he had a remarkable season.

Wade seems off, he is beat up and 30 now as well. He seems listless out there.

Kobe Bryant has had an amazing career and IMO is still #3 in the NBA, and one of the top 10 players of all time. But Lebron James is better then Kobe Bryant is right now. I know you hate Lebron but bias aside, I don't think many people will say Kobe is better then Lebron at the moment.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Kobe Bryant has had an amazing career and IMO is still #3 in the NBA, and one of the top 10 players of all time. But Lebron James is better then Kobe Bryant is right now. I know you hate Lebron but bias aside, I don't think many people will say Kobe is better then Lebron at the moment.

He's a good player I haven't denied that. He just is a choker and lacks all intangibles winners have. I don't question the skill, although he has bricks for shots.

[trackercowe]

James is the best player in the game, but I would still really hesitate in choosing him over other players to hit a big shot or come through in a big game. The same would never be said about the all-time greats.

LeBron is the prototype physical build on what you'd demand from a basketball player, but there is something about him that doesn't come through in the clutch. He should end up with 2-3 titles, but that would still be disappointing on what was expected from him on day one imo.

He really is the Dan Marino of the NBA, at least as of today.

[moon]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

He's a good player I haven't denied that. He just is a choker and lacks all intangibles winners have. I don't question the skill, although he has bricks for shots.

Originally Posted by trackercowe

James is the best player in the game, but I would still really hesitate in choosing him over other players to hit a big shot or come through in a big game. The same would never be said about the all-time greats.

LeBron is the prototype physical build on what you'd demand from a basketball player, but there is something about him that doesn't come through in the clutch. He should end up with 2-3 titles, but that would still be disappointing on what was expected from him on day one imo.

He really is the Dan Marino of the NBA, at least as of today.

How is he a choker?

He took a god awful Cleveland team to the finals. He definitely came through in the clutch many times for that crap team.

For Miami he was awesome in game 6 and 7 of the Boston series to lose and your out games, how is that not clutch?

Today's loss is on Wade sucking in the second half how is that Lebron's fault?

Amazing the crap Lebron gets when his teammates play like crap.

[trackercowe]

Sorry, but no one is judging James on anything he does pre-finals. Almost everyone is judging him on what he is does in the finals. He may have made the finals three times, but really only performed to his standards the second go-around in Cleveland.

The NBA is a league where championships are all that really matters. The majority of the all-time greats have multiple titles to their name, while James is still 0 for 3.

Karl Malone was an exceptional player too, but not winning that one title really holds him back (probably not one of the ten best of all time).

Once again I am not saying James isn't a great player, even if he never wins a title he should still in the top 10-20 players of all time, just not in the discussion for the best ever.

[Drake]

LeChoke played great up until the 3rd again and lived up to his nickname. Maybe LeChoke could learn a thing or two from Kevin Durant on how to close out a game and not choke it away.

[moon]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Sorry, but no one is judging James on anything he does pre-finals. Almost everyone is judging him on what he is does in the finals. He may have made the finals three times, but really only performed to his standards the second go-around in Cleveland.

The NBA is a league where championships are all that really matters. The majority of the all-time greats have multiple titles to their name, while James is still 0 for 3.

Karl Malone was an exceptional player too, but not winning that one title really holds him back (probably not one of the ten best of all time).

Once again I am not saying James isn't a great player, even if he never wins a title he should still in the top 10-20 players of all time, just not in the discussion for the best ever.

The majority of all-time greats also played with better teams than James has so far and it is still early to say that he hasn't won enough.

I would say (and this year is obviously early) but in 2 of 3 he has played very well and even in the Dallas loss last year he wasn't bad not great but very good at the worst.

I do agree that he needs to win to be top 10 (although depending on what happens maybe still could be top 10).

[Senator Clay Davis]

I think perhaps its time people stopped trying to prop up players as "The Next Jordan" or "On the path to be the greatest". Seriously, Jordan is Jordan and no one will ever come close. No one will completely change the game like Jordan, nor will anyone be able to deny more HOFers rings than Jordan did. LeBron would need 6+ rings to have a chance, and even then its not happening. Jordan was the best player in terms of playing ability, but he was also the most clutch, the most feared, the best defender and the most competitive. No player again will ever be able to combine all those things at the same time.

[Erick Estrada]

Anyone hear the Jim Rome show today where he interviewed David Stern and asked him about the draft lottery being fixed? Talk about uncomfortable. It got a little personal and out of control. Don't think Stern was profesisonal there.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Rome probably shouldn't be the one talking about things being fixed considering the way the Smack-Off just went.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Rome probably shouldn't be the one talking about things being fixed considering the way the Smack-Off just went.

Very true lol.

[Senator Clay Davis]

NBA Finals ratings up, David Stern rejoices

Game 1 was — it got an 11.8 rating that is a 10 increase over last year’s Game 1 (Miami vs. Dallas), ESPN announced.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...ision-ratings/

And Karl Malone has taken himself out of the running for any GM job ever (if he was interested)

“I would have to start my team with Scottie Pippen,” he said. “This is why I would take Scottie: Do you remember the time that Michael retired? I watched Scottie Pippen when the Chicago Bulls weren’t really good and Scottie led that team in every statistical category, and I just remembered that. Plus, he’s a guy who could care less about scoring. He wants to stop the best player on the other team. That would have been pretty cool, to see Scottie guarding Michael.”

http://www.csnchicago.com/basketball...112&feedID=661

[Drake]

Interesting stats and info from Game 1:

Russell Westbrook had 27 points and 11 assists in his first NBA Finals game. He is only the second player to record at least 25 points and at least 10 assists in his Finals debut. Micheal Jordan is other in his first NBA Finals game in 91.

Kevin Durant scored 36 points in his NBA Finals debut. Since the ABA-NBA merger, only Allen Iverson (44) has scored more points in his first NBA Finals game. Micheal Jordan also had 36 in 91.

Russell Westbrook is the first player with at least 25 points, 8 rebounds and 10 assists in an NBA Finals game since Charles Barkley in 1993.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=320612025

[Get-Iggy-With-It]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I think perhaps its time people stopped trying to prop up players as "The Next Jordan" or "On the path to be the greatest". Seriously, Jordan is Jordan and no one will ever come close. No one will completely change the game like Jordan, nor will anyone be able to deny more HOFers rings than Jordan did. LeBron would need 6+ rings to have a chance, and even then its not happening. Jordan was the best player in terms of playing ability, but he was also the most clutch, the most feared, the best defender and the most competitive. No player again will ever be able to combine all those things at the same time.

I am a huge Jordan fan and agree that nobody will ever change the game like he did. He really is the greatest player to ever play basketball,

however, if Durant keeps his scoring pace (barring any major injuries, early retirement, playing baseball, etc) he will break Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's all time points record. At 23 years old he is also poised to win several championships. Considering the Thunder are keeping their coach for the future, have 2 superstars that have completely bought into the team, and are the 2nd youngest team in the league, they have a pretty good chance to contend for another 10-12 years.

If Durant becomes the all time leader in points, with 5+ championships to boot, in the modern NBA, he could surpass Jordan, statistically atleast.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Drake

LeChoke played great up until the 3rd again and lived up to his nickname. Maybe LeChoke could learn a thing or two from Kevin Durant on how to close out a game and not choke it away.

OH I GET IT NOW!! You call him LeChoke because his name is LeBron and he has a reputation (well deserved or not) of not being good at the end of big games!

Seriously, I hate LeBron as much as the next guy but that post just seems childish.

[carom]

Ok, hope this isn't a fata, but I saw this on twitter yesterday:

I now know why LeBron didn't go to college, he wouldn't be able to pass the finals.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Get-Iggy-With-It

I am a huge Jordan fan and agree that nobody will ever change the game like he did. He really is the greatest player to ever play basketball,

however, if Durant keeps his scoring pace (barring any major injuries, early retirement, playing baseball, etc) he will break Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's all time points record. At 23 years old he is also poised to win several championships. Considering the Thunder are keeping their coach for the future, have 2 superstars that have completely bought into the team, and are the 2nd youngest team in the league, they have a pretty good chance to contend for another 10-12 years.

If Durant becomes the all time leader in points, with 5+ championships to boot, in the modern NBA, he could surpass Jordan, statistically atleast.

I think Durant can certainly end up close to the top 3, but how hard is it to displace Bird, Magic and Jordan? And thats assuming you leave out guys like Kareem, Wilt, the Big O, Tim Duncan and Kobe. I can see Durant ending up ahead of Kobe for sure, but obviously it will depend on how long OKC can keep their core together. With Harden and Ibaka both being RFAs next summer, they can't keep both without going into the luxury tax, so if I was KD I'd be trying my damndest to cash in this year and next.