I could see OK but Vegas is broker than Glendale (of course I will bow to your local knowledge).
Well Vegas always pays more for events. Every year the NHL has the "frozen fury" pre season game at the MGM grand garden arena to good crowds. That is a 20,000 seat venue.
Somehow the wranglers do well. The games draw 7000 fans each game.
There are over 2,000,000 people unofficially in the las Vegas metropolitan area and the joke is you never ever meet people "from" here.
That being said the people here who are broke are broke. Were they any better before the recession? hard to say.
One thing Vegas has a lot of is money.
If Caesars entertainment or MGM mirage wanted a sports franchise it would rival the money of any ownership group anywhere.
They also would fill seats every game with gaming comp...
Interestingly enough Vegas is primarily made up of east coasters and canadians.
Not an easy market to get into as a "home t but certainly sustainable with the tourists who come here, especially from Canada.
The real issue is sports betting. The NFL won't be here as it hates the sports books,MLB couldn't fill the seats but NHL would do okay.
Any given day there are 200,00-300,000 extra tourists here.
Almost orclose to 1/2 of the population of Winnipeg.
Well Vegas always pays more for events. Every year the NHL has the "frozen fury" pre season game at the MGM grand garden arena to good crowds. That is a 20,000 seat venue.
Somehow the wranglers do well. The games draw 7000 fans each game.
There are over 2,000,000 people unofficially in the las Vegas metropolitan area and the joke is you never ever meet people "from" here.
That being said the people here who are broke are broke. Were they any better before the recession? hard to say.
One thing Vegas has a lot of is money.
If Caesars entertainment or MGM mirage wanted a sports franchise it would rival the money of any ownership group anywhere.
They also would fill seats every game with gaming comp...
Interestingly enough Vegas is primarily made up of east coasters and canadians.
Not an easy market to get into as a "home t but certainly sustainable with the tourists who come here, especially from Canada.
The real issue is sports betting. The NFL won't be here as it hates the sports books,MLB couldn't fill the seats but NHL would do okay.
Any given day there are 200,00-300,000 extra tourists here.
Almost orclose to 1/2 of the population of Winnipeg.
I can explain more tomorrow but off to bed now!
Average attendance for the Wranglers is 4350, not 7000.
The MGM Grand seats just over 17000, and I believe that is for boxing, not hockey.
I don't think that Winnipeg is a viable NHL market, but neither do I believe that Vegas is one...i keep flashing back to the CFL experiment in Vegas.
Average attendance for the Wranglers is 4350, not 7000.
The MGM Grand seats just over 17000, and I believe that is for boxing, not hockey.
I don't think that Winnipeg is a viable NHL market, but neither do I believe that Vegas is one...i keep flashing back to the CFL experiment in Vegas.
I have a hard time thinking many tourists would choose going to a regular season hockey game as opposed to Circue du Soleil or Celine Dion or the like, you go to Vegas to be entertained by a big event, even for hockey fans an average regular season game isn't that exciting. Lets face it who the hell is going to want to waste a night in Vegas watching Minny or Columbus play the locals in October or November.
I suspect Vegas would be much like Phoenix except there would be much more compatition for the entertainment dollar.
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I disagree, Vegas would be rock solid for an NHL team. I would schedule my trips there in conjunction with Flames games, and I believe fans from numerous fan bases would as well. Booze, gambling, sluts.... there is only one thing to add to that to make it better, NHL hockey.
If Phoenix wasn't a habitat for old wrinkly people, in loose fitting pastel covered clothes, I would consider going there to catch the Flames, but there isn't much of a nightlife there, except around the University campus. Vagus, would be an awesome place to plunk a team. If it was anywhere near the strip, the team would absolutely thrive. You would likely have 10,000 tourists tickets every night. Crap if they can sell out Blueman group 3 times a day, with the exact same scripted show, imagine how well a real pro sports team could do. And they would have ZERO issues recruiting free agents. They could have a monster roster in just a few seasons based on the way players pick their teams nowadays.
Burnside is not exactly on the inside with this one, but the possibility of this adds another chapter to this never-ending story
Yep, it just won't end. Both sides despise each other. The two parties are probably discussing the potential lawsuits and which side has the stronger case. This is going nowhere except to court with lots of mud slinging.
The NHL likes Vegas. This is the 3rd year the NHL awards have been held here.
because holding a one off event that is a party for the nhl aristocracy is pretty much the same as holding 42 plus games per year the bonus of having a team there would be we could continue to call them the desert dogs and no divisional realignment is required.......
Uhhh... no. Thomas Steen retired in 1995. Winnipeg didn't move to Phoenix until the 1996-97 season.
In May 1995, it was announced that the Jets were going to be sold to an outside buyer, and moved out of the city. Thomas Steen announced his retirement shortly afterwards. Don Cherry, the Premier, the mayor, and other local celebrities were at the Jets supposed "final" home game where Steen's jersey was retired.
Of course, that was before the grassroots campaign started, and the community raised millions to keep the Jets in Winnipeg, or at least temporary suspend the inevitable. The Spirit of Manitoba was formed with local business owners, to find a way to keep the team in Winnipeg, and build a new arena.
It was not until August, when the Spirit of Manitoba disbanded, that the Jets announced they would be moving, but it was too close to the 1995-96 season. So the Jets played to dismal crowds, since word was out they were leaving at years end. Despite this, they still drew well in the last 2 months of existence.
On an interesting sidenote, the delay of the sale of the Winnipeg Jets changed their original destination from Minnesota to Phoenix, as there were businessmen from Minnesota that were prepared to move the Jets to the Target Center until a new arena could be constructed.
I disagree, Vegas would be rock solid for an NHL team. I would schedule my trips there in conjunction with Flames games, and I believe fans from numerous fan bases would as well. Booze, gambling, sluts.... there is only one thing to add to that to make it better, NHL hockey.
If Phoenix wasn't a habitat for old wrinkly people, in loose fitting pastel covered clothes, I would consider going there to catch the Flames, but there isn't much of a nightlife there, except around the University campus. Vagus, would be an awesome place to plunk a team. If it was anywhere near the strip, the team would absolutely thrive. You would likely have 10,000 tourists tickets every night. Crap if they can sell out Blueman group 3 times a day, with the exact same scripted show, imagine how well a real pro sports team could do. And they would have ZERO issues recruiting free agents. They could have a monster roster in just a few seasons based on the way players pick their teams nowadays.
Pylon, I love your avatar. The Big Snit was made in Winnipeg.
Friday morning, Goldwater attorney Clint Bolick said Hulsizer talked with Goldwater President Darcy Olsen to get to the “bottom line” of what the watchdog group needed to ease its concerns.
Olsen told him Goldwater hoped to have a complete analysis done by Tuesday, Bolick said.
Bolick said Hulsizer pressed for immediate answers and threatened to pull out of the deal. Bolick said the Chicago businessman later backed off that statement.
Hulsizer’s camp say the deal is still on. They confirmed Hulsizer and Olsen spoke, but said there was no talk of walking away.
Friday morning, Goldwater attorney Clint Bolick said Hulsizer talked with Goldwater President Darcy Olsen to get to the “bottom line” of what the watchdog group needed to ease its concerns.
Olsen told him Goldwater hoped to have a complete analysis done by Tuesday, Bolick said.
Bolick said Hulsizer pressed for immediate answers and threatened to pull out of the deal. Bolick said the Chicago businessman later backed off that statement.
Hulsizer’s camp say the deal is still on. They confirmed Hulsizer and Olsen spoke, but said there was no talk of walking away.
This deal was well on its way to being done with a nice rating from Standard & Poors and an interest cost in line with the market at the time, implying no particular risk beyond the norm.
Then Goldwater came along and sent letters to investment dealers warning they were likely to sue if the deal proceeded.
Suddenly and quite reasonably, the market dried up almost overnight, even at an exorbitant interest rate.
From an institutional investor point of view, that was not a condemnation of the deal or the outlook provided by the consultant but rather a quite normal view that the new issue supply for these kinds of things in the United States is sufficiently large that one doesn't have to bother with a deal that has a lawsuit dangling off it.
I think people are vastly mistaken in believing institutional investors are looking at the quality of this deal and backing away.
Most likely they are looking at the potential aggravation of the Goldwater threat and backing away.
There are just too many other attractions for institutional money, particularly money devoted to the municipal market, to bother with these odd threats from the sidelines and no manager of any competence would put the funds in his care into that position if he expected to continue to keep his job.
And therein lies the difference between free speech ("this is a crappy deal for taxpayers") and saying; "if you enter into this deal, if you buy these bonds, we'll make your life hell."
Hence the implied threat of a "tortious interference" lawsuit of Goldwater by Glendale. Yes, the deal probably would have closed fairly normally if Goldwater had said nothing.
So, it does behoove Goldwater to give the appearance of being reasonable and discussing issues with Hulzeiger/Glendale.
Whether or not they're serious about compromise is probably another thing.
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If Phoenix wasn't a habitat for old wrinkly people, in loose fitting pastel covered clothes, I would consider going there to catch the Flames, but there isn't much of a nightlife there, except around the University campus. .
This statement is sooo not true. Unless you go to Sun City West.. Go to Old town scottsdale mang.
It would be nice to hear some more current reports on the status of this thing. Its been a great diversion as the Flames have struggled to keep in the playoff hunt.
As far as the Vegas thing. I dont think its gonna happen.
a) Professional sports has never really done well there
b) I think the NHL would be worried about the potential lures there for the players. Young kids+lots of money+lots of temptations= trouble.
