Israel declares war on Hamas

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Do you have a source for this?

This report states that the only years that Canada did not contribute to UNRWA were from 2013 to 2015 (so three years). I haven't been able to find anything suggesting the rationale for the lack of funding during those years.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unr...ored-1.3852779

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees, also known as UNRWA, lost federal funding in 2010 amid allegations it was tied too closely to Hamas, considered a terrorist organization by Canada and others.

."I'm horrified," said Conservative foreign affairs critic Peter Kent, who said there is ample proof that "massive amounts" of UN aid have been redirected to support Palistinian military efforts against Israel.

"We have abundant evidence that UNRWA is part of the problem."

The government says the money will be accompanied by "enhanced due diligence," including a "very robust oversight and reporting framework" that includes regular site visits and anti-terrorism provisions.

David Cape, chair of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, said his group respects the need to provide humanitarian aid to the region, but nonetheless has "serious reservations" about the UN agency in question and its alleged Hamas ties.

"Hamas is notorious for diverting funds and materials provided by the international community intended for humanitarian aid to terrorist purposes," Cape said in a statement.

"We have communicated our concerns about UNRWA's accountability and neutrality to the government, and we appreciate both the government's acknowledgement of these concerns and the measures Canada has now put into place to ensure meaningful accountability and oversight."

This article states Canada cut off funding in 2010 because of ample proof of massive amounts of money redirected to military efforts.

Article dated 2016, when Canada resumed funding.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Do you have a source for this?

This report states that the only years that Canada did not contribute to UNRWA were from 2013 to 2015 (so three years). I haven't been able to find anything suggesting the rationale for the lack of funding during those years.

Reading a few old articles from 2010-2013 it seems like it was a direct result of the Conservative government (Harper) being pro-Israel. It was a slow reduction of funds since 2008 until it reached 0. There have been allegations of ties to Hamas back then as well, but again, nothing proven on a significant level that I could find. I did see in 2010 Vic Toews saying that the funds were being diverted from UNRWA to fund specific projects like building courthouses and training policemen to “ensure accountability and foster democracy in the PA."

https://www.cjpme.org/pr_2013_03_28

https://imemc.org/article/57711/

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I would think that precision hits on high ranking Hamas would be a good thing, wouldn’t it?

I don’t believe that Hamas has any desire to exist peacefully with Israel. Eliminating Hamas could stop the cycle of violence, keeping both Palestinians and people in Israel safer.

Hamas also does not care about the people in Gaza, or of any desire for the Palestinians to have their own country. Their entire goal has been to exploit the plight of the Palestinian people in order to enrich themselves and carry out their goal of eliminating Israel.

The fact that the world has basically ignored this for over a decade and kept basically funding Hamas is pretty ridiculous.

[PepsiFree]

Al-Ahli hospital is a meaningful example of media and people rushing to get a story, sharing what could be misinformation, and ultimately casting blame without knowing who was responsible.

That said, it would be more believable that the meaning of that was actually understood if the people who brought it up (especially Nage and blankall) hadn’t repeatedly ignored that lesson in the months following. Al-Shifa, World Kitchen, UNRWA to name a few examples, show that Al-Ahli is just a talking point. Their issue isn’t misinformation, their issue is misinformation that isn’t pro-Israel.

It’s easy to look back at the Al-Ahli example and admit it was one people might’ve gotten wrong. But, I doubt the people bringing it up can do the same. I mean, hey, Nage is talking about “ignoring” the UNRWA story while he has ignored multiple posts citing the US intelligence report that challenges his narrative on it. So I doubt very much that these posters have suddenly realized the value of “truth” so much as they’re just looking back and trying to find anything anyone else got wrong to distract from their own stream of bull#### on the topic.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Azure

Hamas also does not care about the people in Gaza, or of any desire for the Palestinians to have their own country. Their entire goal has been to exploit the plight of the Palestinian people in order to enrich themselves and carry out their goal of eliminating Israel.

The fact that the world has basically ignored this for over a decade and kept basically funding Hamas is pretty ridiculous.

I mean, Israel itself ignored this and facilitated funding to strengthen Hamas. So, if they didn’t think it was a big deal, why would it be ridiculous for anyone else not to?

[Azure]

There is absolutely enough evidence that state that the UNRWA has been complicit in helping Hamas. The UN Watch has been compiling this evidence for over a decade and has backed up their sources multiple times.

There are also dozens of countries that cut funding once they realized what has been going on. Any reinstatement of funding and the excuses that followed are just more turning a blind eye to the actions of Hamas just like most of the world has been already doing the past 10 + years.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

This article states Canada cut off funding in 2010 because of ample proof of massive amounts of money redirected to military efforts.

You mean because of a politician claiming there was "ample proof"?

Because you or no one else in this thread has of yet provided one shred of evidence to back up this claim.

And again, are you suggesting that Canada is directly and deliberately funding an organization that they have "ample proof" of siphoning money off to a terrorist organization?

[Bagor]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1796121099530354842

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

What's funny about things like UNRWA is that it underlines the confirmation bias that people require for themselves.

UNRWA has a staff of about 30,000 so if a few of them 'work for Hamas' then the whole operation is a Hamas vehicle.

The government of Israel has a few ministers that want to exterminate the Palestinians, but in this case it's an exception to the rule.

[Fuzz]

OK, I just read through some UN Watch stuff, and if you aren't reading any of that with a horse sized salt lick in your mouth, the only person you are deceiving is yourself.


I'd really hope no governments are swayed by that without doing their own research.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Azure

There is absolutely enough evidence that state that the UNRWA has been complicit in helping Hamas. The UN Watch has been compiling this evidence for over a decade and has backed up their sources multiple times.

There are also dozens of countries that cut funding once they realized what has been going on. Any reinstatement of funding and the excuses that followed are just more turning a blind eye to the actions of Hamas just like most of the world has been already doing the past 10 + years.

I'd just like someone to please direct me to this evidence. I don't think that UN Watch is credible on this issue. I've read the UN Watch reports. All they do is repeat allegation from the Israeli state. That isn't evidence.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Bagor

You mean because of a politician claiming there was "ample proof"?

Because you or no one else in this thread has of yet provided one shred of evidence to back up this claim.

And again, are you suggesting that Canada is directly and deliberately funding an organization that they have "ample proof" of siphoning money off to a terrorist organization?

What evidence do you have that Hamas had not infiltrated UNRWA in the time leading up to 2010, when Canada stopped funding them and directed those resources elsewhere?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

What evidence do you have that Hamas had not infiltrated UNRWA in the time leading up to 2010, when Canada stopped funding them and directed those resources elsewhere?

LOL. Come on. You know that isn't how this works.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Makarov

LOL. Come on. You know that isn't how this works.

Well I texted my friend at CSIS and he said he isn’t allowed to share the information with me.

Weird, like why wouldn’t he?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

What evidence do you have that Hamas had not infiltrated UNRWA in the time leading up to 2010, when Canada stopped funding them and directed those resources elsewhere?

lolol

‘When did you stop beating your wife?’

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Well I texted my friend at CSIS and he said he isn’t allowed to share the information with me.

Weird, like why wouldn’t he?

I see now that I've been wasting my time discussing this.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I see now that I've been wasting my time discussing this.

Ah, welcome to any and all discussions with Doctorfever. They always seem to end this way.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

What evidence do you have that Hamas had not infiltrated UNRWA in the time leading up to 2010, when Canada stopped funding them and directed those resources elsewhere?

Holy crap!

You're the one making the claims.

You can just imagine him during the Iraq war.

Iraq has WMDs. Let's invade.
Is there evidence of that?
What evidence do you have that don't.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ah, welcome to any and all discussions with Doctorfever. They always seem to end this way.

All the intelligence gathered over the years about Hamas / UNRWA is wrong. Canada was wrong to suspend funding to them for 6 years. Every one who made all those decisions is wrong, because I can’t provide a link that shows a UNRWA employee slipping a Hamas guy a $20 bill.

Reasonable enough.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Well I texted my friend at CSIS and he said he isn’t allowed to share the information with me.

Weird, like why wouldn’t he?

Because CSIS is a separate organization from CSEC?