The New American Politics thread

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Did Donald Jr. rip off someone else tonight too?

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/sta...01024908300288

[nik-]

This is classic.

If they weren't trolling, they would have been more careful. They're totally in "#### it" mode.

[RougeUnderoos]

If I didn't know better, I'd think these people believe the rules don't apply to them. And I don't know better.

And what the hell does that clown know about public schools?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Brett LoGiurato ‏@BrettLoGiurato
F.H. Buckley tells @businessinsider: "I was a speechwriter for this speech. So I'm afraid there's no issue here."

So no plagiarizing this time I guess. But when do they actually come up with their own thoughts?

[nik-]

See, that's a reasonable explanation.

They should have just gotten Michelle Obama to admit she wrote Melania's speech and this would have all been over by now.

[Caged Great]

Actually, that still is a problem.

Because it has been used before in public and is not his own words, it does not matter that it is his speechwriter's words. It is plagiarism all the same. He used another person's public words without quoting them. It is just as bad as his step-mother's usage from last night, with the only difference being that he ripped off the ideas of someone he was working with vs someone else entirely.

Ethically, that is both poor form and lazy. Shows poorly on him as well because there are no ideas of his own there at all.

[PostandIn]

How the hell are Clinton and Trump going to do the Alfred E Smith dinner this year? With the kind of vitriol we've seen already they will have to take everyone's cutlery away.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Actually, that still is a problem.

Because it has been used before in public and is not his own words, it does not matter that it is his speechwriter's words. It is plagiarism all the same. He used another person's public words without quoting them. It is just as bad as his step-mother's usage from last night, with the only difference being that he ripped off the ideas of someone he was working with vs someone else entirely.

Ethically, that is both poor form and lazy. Shows poorly on him as well because there are no ideas of his own there at all.

Fair enough. I figured if it was written or ok'd by the original writer it may not have been plagiarism.

Either way, poor form.....yet again...by the Trump family.

[Mr.Coffee]

has anyone seen anything resembling "good form" over the last... well, since the Trump campaign began?

Like is there literally one redeeming positive feature?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

has anyone seen anything resembling "good form" over the last... well, since the Trump campaign began?

Like is there literally one redeeming positive feature?

.......followed by crickets

[TheScorpion]

Haven't been following the conventions all that closely (though I've been watching the caucuses and primaries like a hawk), but is there really a group called "American Muslims for Trump"?

I'd make a joke here but it's already been made for me.

[troutman]

Who is this woman doing Melania on Colbert? Brilliant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Benanti

http://www.justjared.com/2016/07/20/...t-spoof-video/

[Thor]

Laura Benanti is a perfect impersonator of her lol

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1128574/

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by troutman

Who is this woman doing Melania on Colbert? Brilliant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Benanti

http://www.justjared.com/2016/07/20/...t-spoof-video/

She knocked that out of the park. 2016's answer to Tina Fey as Sarah Palin.

[T@T]

How many years before CNN's Chris Cuomo runs for public office? political pedigree out the ying-yang, smart as hell (lawyer I think), seems very grounded and women would vote for him for looks alone.

He could have run in either party this time around and won in a landslide.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GGG

Or Obama built more pipelines then any other president ever. He effectively did nothing to regulate fracking and concrete in wells. He supports the some of the dirtiest oil in the world in California.

And yet there was one pipeline which actually would have reduced both risk of environmental damage and the emissions from shipping oil which he for some reason denied.

So while what you say about Alberta failing to diversify is true Obama was no friend to Canadian economic interests and was very protectionist.

Ok, well environmental concerns are a completely different issue. However, Obama has managed to systematically dismantle the coal industry, effectively offsetting any speculative environmental damage you proposed.

Originally Posted by nik-

Seriously.

Alberta should have flipped that "Diversify Economy" switch. I mean it was sitting right there, why didn't they do it!?

Quick witted responses aside, this is not a new issue for Alberta. It has been going on since Trudeau and his energy policy that effectively crippled the Alberta economy because of too much focus on the oil industry. Fast forward 30 years and it's the exact same situation, but possibly on a grander scale due to the Oil Sands development. It's not unfair to put some blame on the leadership in the province for not facilitating or encouraging enough diversification in the economy. There have been a few new industries that have flourished since the times of Trudeau, but they aren't big enough to offset the losses of the oil industry.

I get it, there was so much money to be made in oil that it made sense to keep plowing ahead in that field. However, the government had countless years of surpluses to work with and they could have invested that in either creating some government subsidized programs/companies, or at least invested more in infrastructure to reduce costs of start ups/business across the board. That's how a mixed economy works in order to reduce the severity of economic boom/bust cycles.

The point is, this problem of low oil pricing was going to happen at some point, and it doesn't hinge on whether or not Obama approved a pipeline which was a pretty bad idea long term to fix a short term problem. I'm sympathetic to the suffering economy, but it should be a wakeup call to start creating more work in fields that are not directly or indirectly tied to oil.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Well they got some money to help get them through their semi-charmed kinda life. And they basically stole it too. Good for them

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ok, well environmental concerns are a completely different issue. However, Obama has managed to systematically dismantle the coal industry, effectively offsetting any speculative environmental damage you proposed.



Quick witted responses aside, this is not a new issue for Alberta. It has been going on since Trudeau and his energy policy that effectively crippled the Alberta economy because of too much focus on the oil industry. Fast forward 30 years and it's the exact same situation, but possibly on a grander scale due to the Oil Sands development. It's not unfair to put some blame on the leadership in the province for not facilitating or encouraging enough diversification in the economy. There have been a few new industries that have flourished since the times of Trudeau, but they aren't big enough to offset the losses of the oil industry.

I get it, there was so much money to be made in oil that it made sense to keep plowing ahead in that field. However, the government had countless years of surpluses to work with and they could have invested that in either creating some government subsidized programs/companies, or at least invested more in infrastructure to reduce costs of start ups/business across the board. That's how a mixed economy works in order to reduce the severity of economic boom/bust cycles.

The point is, this problem of low oil pricing was going to happen at some point, and it doesn't hinge on whether or not Obama approved a pipeline which was a pretty bad idea long term to fix a short term problem. I'm sympathetic to the suffering economy, but it should be a wakeup call to start creating more work in fields that are not directly or indirectly tied to oil.

WHat really killed the coal industry wasn't regulation. It's the project long term price of natural gas. You arguing a strawman. People aren't saying Onamas action destroyed the Alberta economy just that no president has been worse for it. The assertion was that Obama wasn't good for the Alberta economy. That assertion regardless of Obamas other environmental record is true. He didn't regulate locally, enhanced access to market for competing resources, did not put in reasonable environmental or safety regulations around the competing resource, then limited access to our resource. Those action regardless of Albertas actions were not friendly to Albertas economy. And in the current pricing environment even more so as a few dollars per barrel in added cost is much more significant now.

[Senator Clay Davis]

And just to sort of sum up what a disaster the GOP convention is, yesterday was "Make America Work Again" day at the convention. Of note, the word "work" was only the 10th most mentioned word, and employment, unemployment, jobs, economy were nowhere to be found. Predictably what was? Hillary.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ok, well environmental concerns are a completely different issue. However, Obama has managed to systematically dismantle the coal industry, effectively offsetting any speculative environmental damage you proposed.

Yup he did, by becoming a mass exporter of coal to the dirtiest countries in the world in China. I don't even think that US coal production has shrunk all that significantly under Obama, going from 1,000 million tons in 2010 to about 900 million tons last year. And most of it is for export. So on one hand, congrats on reducing overall usage of Coal in the states thanks to natural gas, but that coal is still going up in smoke so to speak.





Quick witted responses aside, this is not a new issue for Alberta. It has been going on since Trudeau and his energy policy that effectively crippled the Alberta economy because of too much focus on the oil industry. Fast forward 30 years and it's the exact same situation, but possibly on a grander scale due to the Oil Sands development. It's not unfair to put some blame on the leadership in the province for not facilitating or encouraging enough diversification in the economy. There have been a few new industries that have flourished since the times of Trudeau, but they aren't big enough to offset the losses of the oil industry.

I get it, there was so much money to be made in oil that it made sense to keep plowing ahead in that field. However, the government had countless years of surpluses to work with and they could have invested that in either creating some government subsidized programs/companies, or at least invested more in infrastructure to reduce costs of start ups/business across the board. That's how a mixed economy works in order to reduce the severity of economic boom/bust cycles.

The point is, this problem of low oil pricing was going to happen at some point, and it doesn't hinge on whether or not Obama approved a pipeline which was a pretty bad idea long term to fix a short term problem. I'm sympathetic to the suffering economy, but it should be a wakeup call to start creating more work in fields that are not directly or indirectly tied to oil.[/QUOTE]