11-12-2022, 08:10 PM
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#7121
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by genetic_phreek
As a Flames fan, Montreal is on my no trade with list. We've been fleeced my them too much lately. It's like they have incriminating pictures of Treliving or something.
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The way I see it, the Flames traded Mony and a 2025 1st for Kadri. It was very much worth it for the Flames and just so happened to be an excellent trade for the Habs too.
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11-12-2022, 08:20 PM
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#7122
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: VanCity
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathgod
The way I see it, the Flames traded Mony and a 2025 1st for Kadri. It was very much worth it for the Flames and just so happened to be an excellent trade for the Habs too.
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That's what a lot of people say but that's not the reality of it. Kadri was a UFA, any team could sign him without giving up anything except money on the contract.
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11-12-2022, 08:25 PM
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#7123
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by genetic_phreek
That's what a lot of people say but that's not the reality of it. Kadri was a UFA, any team could sign him without giving up anything except money on the contract.
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Not just money, cap space.
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11-12-2022, 09:20 PM
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#7124
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by genetic_phreek
That's what a lot of people say but that's not the reality of it. Kadri was a UFA, any team could sign him without giving up anything except money on the contract.
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Originally Posted by MrMike
Not just money, cap space.
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That's exactly the thing. No other team that wanted Kadri had the cap space to meet his asking price. By trading away Monahan and a 1st, the Flames gained the cap space to sign Kadri. And they got him for less money than he was reportedly asking for at the start of free agency.
That kind of flexibility is worth major assets on the market.
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11-12-2022, 11:21 PM
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#7125
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by genetic_phreek
That's what a lot of people say but that's not the reality of it. Kadri was a UFA, any team could sign him without giving up anything except money on the contract.
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Wrong
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11-13-2022, 12:23 AM
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#7126
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Just read an Instagram post from The Hockey Writers where they claim that the Maple Leafs (who always seem to be the market for a new goalie), might be interested in Dan Vladar. I'm a bigger Vladar fan than most, so I wouldn't want to see him moved, plus I can't see any players on their roster (other than Nylander, who is too expensive), or in their system that would be of interest. Any thoughts?
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11-13-2022, 01:00 AM
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#7127
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Just read an Instagram post from The Hockey Writers where they claim that the Maple Leafs (who always seem to be the market for a new goalie), might be interested in Dan Vladar. I'm a bigger Vladar fan than most, so I wouldn't want to see him moved, plus I can't see any players on their roster (other than Nylander, who is too expensive), or in their system that would be of interest. Any thoughts?
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Nylander 50% retain + 2023 1st unprotected? 
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11-13-2022, 02:38 AM
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#7128
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by genetic_phreek
That's what a lot of people say but that's not the reality of it. Kadri was a UFA, any team could sign him without giving up anything except money on the contract.
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Except the whole salary cap thing lol
Flames got the deal done because they were able to clear the space. Obviously nobody was taking Monahan for less.
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11-13-2022, 09:35 AM
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#7129
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Albert
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Just read an Instagram post from The Hockey Writers where they claim that the Maple Leafs (who always seem to be the market for a new goalie), might be interested in Dan Vladar. I'm a bigger Vladar fan than most, so I wouldn't want to see him moved, plus I can't see any players on their roster (other than Nylander, who is too expensive), or in their system that would be of interest. Any thoughts?
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The same Vladar we just re-signed?
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11-13-2022, 09:47 AM
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#7130
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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People don't put a lot of thought into their click bait or trade ideas etc.
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11-13-2022, 09:51 AM
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#7131
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
People don't put a lot of thought into their click bait or trade ideas etc.
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What if traded for Sean Monahan? Seems to be having a good year.
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11-13-2022, 10:22 AM
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#7132
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Just read an Instagram post from The Hockey Writers where they claim that the Maple Leafs (who always seem to be the market for a new goalie), might be interested in Dan Vladar. I'm a bigger Vladar fan than most, so I wouldn't want to see him moved, plus I can't see any players on their roster (other than Nylander, who is too expensive), or in their system that would be of interest. Any thoughts?
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The only player that would interest me, and who has a cap hit that would work, is Liljegren.
Two up and coming young players that each fill a need for the other team. Both teams feel some pain in the trade. Cap hit works.
For the Flames, no way they move Vladar, because they aren't going to have to rely on an unproven kid in net, in a year where they think they are contenders. However, acquiring Liljegren gives them options defensively, to move someone else out for a forward.
For the Leafs, they need a goalie. Gotta sacrifice something to get it done.
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11-13-2022, 10:23 AM
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#7133
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Franchise Player
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How about this?
Nylander ($2.5M retained) + Liljegren for Hanifin + Vladar
cap hit is equal
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11-13-2022, 12:42 PM
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#7134
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
How about this?
Nylander ($2.5M retained) + Liljegren for Hanifin + Vladar
cap hit is equal
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Leafs say no instantly
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11-13-2022, 12:46 PM
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#7135
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Flames say no instantly
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11-13-2022, 01:15 PM
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#7136
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by d_phaneuf
Leafs say no instantly
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Flames say no instantly
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that's why I think it's a fair trade
d_phaneuf: Leafs need a goalie and know it. They are top-heavy and need to improve their D and goaltending. This does that.
And it makes the Leafs a better team
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11-13-2022, 01:20 PM
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#7137
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Leafs say no. The Flames get the best and third-best players in that deal.
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11-13-2022, 01:25 PM
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#7138
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Flames aren’t trading Vladar. If Markstrom gets hurt it’s season over.
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11-13-2022, 01:30 PM
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#7139
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
People don't put a lot of thought into their click bait or trade ideas etc.
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Oh please, get over yourself.
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11-13-2022, 01:30 PM
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#7140
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Leafs say no. The Flames get the best and third-best players in that deal.
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Vladar is currently better than Liljegren, though that may not continue going forward.
Nylander is arguably a better player than Hanifin, but as a one-dimensional scoring winger, I don't think he is much more valuable, if at all.
Straight up, I wouldn't trade Hanifin for Nylander.
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