2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is one of the reasons why Canadian teams struggle to win it all. For the most part, outside Toronto, they aren't a desirable market. So they have a smaller pool of trade targets, and turn their heads to overpaying free agents (which they shouldn't do).
It is what it is, but kinda sucks.

I think it more comes down to Canadian fans demanding a winner regardless of the city.
Most of the Canadian team are in a constant state of trying to just make the playoffs, none have done a complete rebuild outside of Ottawa which stopped their rebuild midway and started another. (in three years they might be the best Canadian team)
The Flames are not the only team guilty of constantly trading away pics for that one piece that may get them in the playoffs.
Everyone wants Hertl, what are we going to give up to get him? More picks? I think the best path forward might be to just do nothing at the next few deadlines and see what shakes out. Sure you can pick up a depth guy or two but nothing that changes your draft the next year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

How do Jakob Chychrun's injury problems compare to Eichel's? Chychrun only averages about 59 games per season despite only being (almost) 24 years old.

Eichel has the uncertainty with the surgery, but it seems he may generally be more durable than Chychrun.

Last season Chychrun played 56 out of 56 games, the year before 63 out of 70. 3 seasons ago at age 20 was when he missed significant time for an LBI. His missed time this year was all UBI and Covid, so, no, I doubt there’s a concern.

I’m not advocating a trade for him, BTW, I don’t think it’s a team need. I’m just saying that saying it’s a ridiculous ask because it’s similar to Eichel’s return ignores a bunch of factors.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is one of the reasons why Canadian teams struggle to win it all. For the most part, outside Toronto, they aren't a desirable market. So they have a smaller pool of trade targets, and turn their heads to overpaying free agents (which they shouldn't do).
It is what it is, but kinda sucks.

I think an undeniable aspect to this years TDL, as well as moving forward, is the difference between the Canadian and American governments response to the pandemic, especially for American born or players with movement protection.

Rightly or wrongly, playing for a Canadian team might be at an all time low.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Last season Chychrun played 56 out of 56 games, the year before 63 out of 70. 3 seasons ago at age 20 was when he missed significant time for an LBI. His missed time this year was all UBI and Covid, so, no, I doubt there’s a concern.

I’m not advocating a trade for him, BTW, I don’t think it’s a team need. I’m just saying that saying it’s a ridiculous ask because it’s similar to Eichel’s return ignores a bunch of factors.

From a Flames perspective the only way a Chychrun deal makes sense, in my opinion, is if Hanifin is going back the other way. Doubt very much that is something Arizona would want.

Brought this up a couple days ago but on the most recent 32 thoughts a listener asked why Chychrun isn't linked to the Flames and Friedman's response was he did not get the sense the Flames were interested in moving picks/prospects.

[playmaker]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Winning it all is rarely a result of trades or free agents anyways.

Most cup teams drafted their elite cores.

Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury
Kucherov, Hedman, Point, Stamkos, Palat, Gourde, (Coleman was a trade yes)
Keith, Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson (Hossa was a FA yes)
Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Voynov, Brown, (Carter was a FA yes)
Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Lucic, Thomas (yes, Chara was a FA)
Pietrangelo, Tarasenko, Parayko, Binnington (yes ROR and Schenn were trade acquisitions)

And you can add Washington to that list as well:
Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Carlson, Wilson, Backstrom, Holtby, Orlov


Good drafting is still the best way to build a contending team. As an example Flames could have easily had Barkov and Calgary kid Brayden Point as their #1C and #2C had they not won bunch of meaningful games in 2013 and had they drafted for speed and skill in later rounds in 2014. They selected Mason McDonald, Hunter Smith and Brandon Hickey instead.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It is one of the reasons I think the NHL should consider limiting the movement protection it hands out to players. In a cap world it is hard enough to make moves but when you have a huge chunk of a team having some form of trade protection that makes it even harder.

Canadian teams need to give this protection to bottom 6 forwards and 2nd/3rd pairing Dmen in many cases. In most of their leagues only the truly elite franchise level talents have trade protection.

I’d like to see something like NTCs can only be given to players who have been with a team for at least five years, and each team can only have a max of three NTCs awarded.

The NHLPA would fight hard against it, so the owners would really need to want it. And I’m not sure the owners have the necessary solidarity on the matter.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’d like to see something like NTCs can only be given to players who have been with a team for at least five years, and each team can only have a max of three NTCs awarded.

The NHLPA would fight hard against it, so the owners would really need to want it. And I’m not sure the owners have the necessary solidarity on the matter.

Maybe a similar approach to the "5-10" rule in Baseball could work?

10 years in the NHL and 5 years with the same team, you get an automatic NTC. In MLB, I do not think you can get a NTC outside of that rule - or maybe you can it's just not advanced?

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Last season Chychrun played 56 out of 56 games, the year before 63 out of 70. 3 seasons ago at age 20 was when he missed significant time for an LBI. His missed time this year was all UBI and Covid, so, no, I doubt there’s a concern.

I’m not advocating a trade for him, BTW, I don’t think it’s a team need. I’m just saying that saying it’s a ridiculous ask because it’s similar to Eichel’s return ignores a bunch of factors.

That originally proposed ask is nevertheless still ridiculous. Take Lundell just alone, a 20 year old who's scoring at a 53 point pace in his rookie year playing third line minutes. And his two-way game is even better than his offensive game, he has played the most PK minutes on the team. You can argue pretty easily that he has #1C potential.



Him alone on a ELC deal is worth a ton. Adding another bluechip prospect in Knight and then still another first rounder is a ridiculous ask.

[sureLoss]

Yeah it is a ridiculous price, but that is what Bill Armstrong is banking on.

They are looking for a team that thinks Chychrun will put them over the top and willing to pay that price.

They Coyotes don't need to move Chychrun, but another GM might think it is the final piece in starting a multiyear window as a cup contender and overpay.

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1484193396705136644

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1484193396705136644

Untouchable in that no one wants to touch them.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Saqe

That originally proposed ask is nevertheless still ridiculous. Take Lundell just alone, a 20 year old who's scoring at a 53 point pace in his rookie year playing third line minutes. And his two-way game is even better than his offensive game, he has played the most PK minutes on the team. You can argue pretty easily that he has #1C potential.



Him alone on a ELC deal is worth a ton. Adding another bluechip prospect in Knight and then still another first rounder is a ridiculous ask.

I haven’t really followed Lindell, so you are likely right, though it’s early days for him. Knight looked good last year in his 4 games but this year has been average to less than average IMO.

I do see that Fla has already traded their 2023 pick so they’d without a first rounder (albeit a super late one) for two years.

I suspect the ask for Lundell is because the Panthers are top heavy in forwards, and can afford to lose him if they are in win now mode, with the notion that maybe the Panthers counter with someone different but also pretty good. OTOH do they need CHychrun that badly? Ekblad, Weegar, Forsling and Montour are not a bad top 4. And they have Juolevi who may yet become something.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1484193396705136644

Ummm.... DeBrincat please!

[Vinny01]

So is Debrincat on the trade block?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1484193396705136644

Who wants the Seth Jones contract?

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Ummm.... DeBrincat please!

Um RH RW Top 6 ? Yes Please!

[Saqe]

@GioPM




Getting another top pairing guy would make them legit contenders IMO. They are so deep at this moment at forward and goaltending has been good this year, all the other pieces are there. Defensively they're just ok so yeah I think Chycrun would put them over the top.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The package from Florida to Phoenix would likely be more centered on Owen Tippet who is blocked behind the deep forward group, but still has upside.
Denisenko is in a similar spot where he can't even get time on the big club, but has a high ceiling .
Tippet+1st+Denisenko

That might be a fit.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The package from Florida to Phoenix would likely be more centered on Owen Tippet who is blocked behind the deep forward group, but still has upside.
Denisenko is in a similar spot where he can't even get time on the big club, but has a high ceiling .
Tippet+1st+Denisenko

That might be a fit.

That's exactly what I was thinking

Florida probably asks for that ridiculous package, and they meet in the middle with the tippett, denisenko, 1st

[agulati]

Sign me up for a DeBrincat please. For anyone who watches Chicago, how has Kubalik been this year?