Brad Treliving needs to go

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I'd say Treliving has done enough to save his own job after he almost cost himself his job. GM of the year doesn't lose his top 2 players

Lou Lamoriello lost his franchise center and his Vezina-finalist goaltender. Won GM of the year twice in a row.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by VilleN

How did he get himself into that position? And what could he have done to prevent it? Two questions I’ve consistently been asking people who say what you are saying. I’ve yet to get a straight answer.

He failed to re-sign his 2 faces of the franchise after X many years of knowing he had to. Of course there were 10,000 factors stacked against him out of his control, but a true 'GM of the Year' would have had them locked up and this wouldn't have been an issue. I'm not downplaying the great reverse-uno card he has played, but the horrible rebuild (week) of sadness we had was at his doing. Hub is great, but Johnny and Tkachuk were our kids and walked on his watch.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Ducay

He failed to re-sign his 2 faces of the franchise after X many years of knowing he had to. Of course there were 10,000 factors stacked against him out of his control, but a true 'GM of the Year' would have had them locked up and this wouldn't have been an issue. I'm not downplaying the great reverse-uno card he has played, but the horrible rebuild (week) of sadness we had was at his doing. Hub is great, but Johnny and Tkachuk were our kids and walked on his watch.

Again, a terrible answer. How could Tre have locked them up if they didn’t want to sign here?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Again, a terrible answer. How could Tre have locked them up if they didn’t want to sign here?

Jedi mind tricks. Probably wouldn't have worked on Tkachuk though.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Willing to admit that you're WRONG?

Why do you need to ask like this? It doesn’t help anything

I don’t think he has to admit he was wrong. Not at all

I personally said I would change my answer today. That is in light of new information. But I would still answer the poll in the same way at the time it was asked.

The same question can have 2 different answers, under different circumstances at different points in time

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Again, a terrible answer. How could Tre have locked them up if they didn’t want to sign here?

He didn't sign them earlier or convince them & their reps otherwise. Sure this off-season there seems to have been no hope, but there are a million scenarios where it could have been made to work earlier or changing the narrative & getting them to re-sign. All I'm saying is someone whose 2 faces of the franchise effectively walk under your watch is not a GM of the year. That is not ideal management of your talent if they'd rather play elsewhere than stick around in your org.

[Brick]

A bit of humble pie for me.

I would like to change my vote from "He should be fired, but will continue as the Flames GM" to "He should not and will not be fired".

What he has done is brilliant.

[Jacks]

Pretty entertaining couple of months, some excellent work done by Treliving.

[PuckSlap]

I change my vote.

Brad Treliving deserves another season.

[Vinny01]

Why is it this thread that continues to be bumped when there is a Brad “Fricken” Treliving thread?

Lock this one up

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well...we've wanted the Flames in terms of strategy to pick a lane.

Treliving has picked his lane and smashed the gas.

I wont deny that he has done an amazing job, especially in terms of the poor hand he was dealt, but make no mistake, this is a 'High-Risk/High-Reward' strategy.

Yep, definitely high risk/high reward. At the end of the day, I'm okay with that. It's sports, and the whole point is playing to win. I won't blame him for taking his shot and going for the win when there's a chance.

[Hackey]

Today is pretty exciting and I'm on board, but this day could look real bad a few years down the road if Kadri is a complete boat anchor contract and that 1st found pick turns into a stud. For now I'm ready to go all in though. Should be an exciting season and next couple years.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Ducay

He didn't sign them earlier or convince them & their reps otherwise. Sure this off-season there seems to have been no hope, but there are a million scenarios where it could have been made to work earlier or changing the narrative & getting them to re-sign. All I'm saying is someone whose 2 faces of the franchise effectively walk under your watch is not a GM of the year. That is not ideal management of your talent if they'd rather play elsewhere than stick around in your org.

That’s ridiculous. A truly brutal answer. Name one of your million scenarios that could have made it work? Players can walk, and it can have nothing to do with the GM… in fact, in most cases it doesn’t. They offered max term, max dollars. The players didn’t want to stay - name a single thing Tre should/could have done to convince them to live somewhere they didn’t want to.

[Finger Cookin]

Can this 18 month old poll be locked?

[activeStick]

I just hope we never lock this thread. It's fun to re-read the amazing takes and see the votes.

[GS Skier]

We're not worthy, we're not worthy, we're not worthy.

[JohnnyB]

I stand by all my earlier takes in this thread.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

I change my vote.

Brad Treliving deserves another season.

Just one more season? How generous. I think you give him 3 more years and then if the Flames made some good runs you give him the chance to handle the rebuild at that point.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Ducay

While he has done a great job with the Turd-sandwich dealt to him, don't forget the turd sandwich was entirely his & ownership's fault. At this point I give him a 50% rating, we're effectively back to where we all thought we would be by signing Johnny/Tkachuk. Some people might try arguing we're ahead with Weegar, but I'd argue pre-implosion, everyone would have taken the continuity that is Johnny/Tkachuk over Hub/Weeg/Kadri 99 times out of 100.

I'd say Treliving has done enough to save his own job after he almost cost himself his job. GM of the year doesn't lose his top 2 players

No no no to the bolded. People wanted to keep the continuity because it seemed like the best available option...many posters felt it was largely futile with very low odds of really leading to sustained success.

I have mixed feelings on the Monny+1st part of it, but the entirety of this off-season is absolutely a win:

IN: Huby, Kadri, prospect, Weegar

OUT: Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Monahan, Gudbranson

Obviously the Kadri contract isn't ideal, but I feel a lot better about Huby+Kadri at 17.5M than JG/MT at 20. I think there are valid arguments for either pair, but the thing that really pushes Huby over the top is this year at 5.9M - while Markstrom/Tanev/Backlund are still [hopefully] in their primes.

Prospect+Weegar is a no brainer over SM/EG, especially considering EG is more expensive than Weegar this year. It'll suck if Monahan fetches a return at TDL (though I'll be happy for him) and/or the pick blows up in our face, but you gotta push your chips in sooner or later.

[Goriders]

Treliving is a flat out wizard.