2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[FlamesAddiction]

Lindholm, IMO, is our best forward.

But I think the big 4 are all pretty close, each bringing their own strengths. There were stretches last season where Tkachuk was the best forward and I think he still has potential to raise his game higher, and that will come with age.

My only issue with Tkachuk really, is as others have mentioned, he is a flight risk. His contract is leveraged in such a way that the Flames are going to have a tough decision to make.

[TheScorpion]

Hmm, Tomas Tatar is a healthy scratch for Montreal tonight.

Pending UFA, $4.8 million AAV.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by browna

Part of what made him good prior to last season is his ability to work his butt off and then draw penalties.

With some of the notoriety and antics he's entangled himself in, the refs have turned the tables. Not only are refs not wanting to be calling penalties committed on Tkachuk, feeling maybe duped from prior years, he's now getting zero leeway and penalties like the one against the Oilers are getting called.

That has to be in his head, and affecting the way he's used to approaching and playing the game since he got to the NHL. Mix in his short fuse and in addition to the refs "figuring him out" the other teams seem to have too, to get him off his game.

Um.. no.

This is a load of horse####. Nice little fiction you made up there though.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hmm, Tomas Tatar is a healthy scratch for Montreal tonight.

Pending UFA, $4.8 million AAV.

Something around Bennett and Tatar might be an interesting boost for this season. I've always liked Tatar and he's kind of a hudler analog. Would be interesting with Johnny and Monahan.

[Sandman]

All due respect, but IMO I would be upset if we traded Bennett for Tatar. Tatar is 30, small, kinda soft, and produces next to nothing in the playoffs. It looks like he may be on the decline, too.

[savardandjokinen]

If you’re the flames and Bennett for Tatar is on the table you take it and run. You have to expose Bennett in the expansion draft anyways

[djsFlames]

Even declining Tatar is offensively a tier above Bennett.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Even declining Tatar is offensively a tier above Bennett.

And a tier below in every other facet of the game. He's very good offensively, below average but not a detriment everywhere else. Trade Bennett for a guy like this, and all of the calls will be to trade Tatar for a checking, hard skating, dig in the corners, backchecking forward.

[1qqaaz]

I just don't think the Flames, at the moment, are in a position to be trading away younger assets for UFA rentals that don't perform in the playoffs.

Would rather just have a third round pick that we can watch develop for years.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by Sandman

All due respect, but IMO I would be upset if we traded Bennett for Tatar. Tatar is 30, small, kinda soft, and produces next to nothing in the playoffs. It looks like he may be on the decline, too.

You’re honestly saying that you wouldn’t trade Sam Bennett, 3 points in 13 games, has never scored 20 goals in a season ever, has never scored more than 36 points in a season, not once has he been a plus player, went through his agent to request a trade from the team, like the guy actively pursued leaving the Flames, his value is ROCK BOTTOM, you wouldn’t trade him, an almost worthless asset, for a five time 20 goal scorer, someone who’s worst nhl season looks pretty similar to Bennett’s absolute max output, in parts of 10 seasons has been a minus player 3 times, on a pretty damn decent cap hit, has not requested a trade and actually wants to be on his team, is literally a better player now than Bennett ever will be. You wouldn’t do it?! Because he’s kind of soft and small? How has being bigger and not soft helped Bennett?? Or the Flames?

I think your biased and flawed perception of Bennett is seriously clouding your ability to make rational, logical decisions.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

You’re honestly saying that you wouldn’t trade Sam Bennett, 3 points in 13 games, has never scored 20 goals in a season ever, has never scored more than 36 points in a season, not once has he been a plus player, went through his agent to request a trade from the team, like the guy actively pursued leaving the Flames, his value is ROCK BOTTOM, you wouldn’t trade him, an almost worthless asset, for a five time 20 goal scorer, someone who’s worst nhl season looks pretty similar to Bennett’s absolute max output, in parts of 10 seasons has been a minus player 3 times, on a pretty damn decent cap hit, has not requested a trade and actually wants to be on his team, is literally a better player now than Bennett ever will be. You wouldn’t do it?! Because he’s kind of soft and small? How has being bigger and not soft helped Bennett?? Or the Flames?

I think your biased and flawed perception of Bennett is seriously clouding your ability to make rational, logical decisions.

Yeah, and the other narrative is trading a ‘washed up’ 24 year old for a 30 year old who makes twice as much, just hitting his stride the last 2 years. Onward and upward, yes?

[flames_fan_down_under]

How about cutting your losses and getting anything of value? Like this can’t be a defensible take I’m sorry.

And why should age have anything to do with this. Sam Bennett at 24 is just as bad as 22 year old Sam Bennett and will be just as bad as 27 year old Bennett. We are watching the same player right?

If you could flip Bennett for anyone of Tatars calibre take it and run.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

How about cutting your losses and getting anything of value? Like this can’t be a defensible take I’m sorry.

And why should age have anything to do with this. Sam Bennett at 24 is just as bad as 22 year old Sam Bennett and will be just as bad as 27 year old Bennett. We are watching the same player right?

If you could flip Bennett for anyone of Tatars calibre take it and run.

Lol. #### it. James Neal is a natural winger, multi year 20 goal scorer. He may be available lol

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

You’re honestly saying that you wouldn’t trade Sam Bennett, 3 points in 13 games, has never scored 20 goals in a season ever, has never scored more than 36 points in a season, not once has he been a plus player, went through his agent to request a trade from the team, like the guy actively pursued leaving the Flames, his value is ROCK BOTTOM, you wouldn’t trade him, an almost worthless asset, for a five time 20 goal scorer, someone who’s worst nhl season looks pretty similar to Bennett’s absolute max output, in parts of 10 seasons has been a minus player 3 times, on a pretty damn decent cap hit, has not requested a trade and actually wants to be on his team, is literally a better player now than Bennett ever will be. You wouldn’t do it?! Because he’s kind of soft and small? How has being bigger and not soft helped Bennett?? Or the Flames?

I think your biased and flawed perception of Bennett is seriously clouding your ability to make rational, logical decisions.

Ok, let's talk rational and logical-when his 5.3M contract is up AT THE END OF THE YEAR, what then? Are you going want them to pony up that kind of contract for a 30 year old, who's obviously on the decline if he's being healthy scratched? That's IF he wants to sign to sign in Calgary? Sure, let's sign him again so our soft-ass team can lose out in 4 games of the playoffs-at least we can make Tatar our new whipping boy, cuz he does NOTHING in the playoffs. You say Tatar is better than Bennett will ever be? Not in the playoffs, my friend-Bennett is the WAY better player when games count.

And who on the team would Tatar displace? Would you rather have Dube, Mangiapane, or old-ass declining Tatar in that top-6 RW position? Surely, you wouldn't want Tatar and his "pretty damn decent" 5.3M salary playing in the bottom-6? Pretty expensive 3rd line with Backs and Lucic. Mang and Dube at least play with some grit.

So yeah, I think I would pass on a 30-year old upcoming UFA, who just got scratched, in return for Bennett.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

How about cutting your losses and getting anything of value? Like this can’t be a defensible take I’m sorry.

And why should age have anything to do with this. Sam Bennett at 24 is just as bad as 22 year old Sam Bennett and will be just as bad as 27 year old Bennett. We are watching the same player right?

If you could flip Bennett for anyone of Tatars calibre take it and run.

It's not about cutting losses and taking anything of value. Bennett still has some trade value, and if you believe some of the rumours coming out-GM's around the league seem to think so too.Tre is taking his time with this one.

[Flamenspiel]

Tatar is a laughable return for Bennett, it’s a good thing none of you are GMs because you have no idea about the game.

[The Cobra]

I guess we don’t know the actual trade value of Bennett tight now, but I would suggest it’s in the neighbourhood of a second round pick.

It’s likely higher than Tatar’s, who’s value is perhaps a 3rd round pick, or more likely a 4th.

Both are most likely flipped for a player(s), so it will be hard to judge comparative value.

But I’m pretty certain Montreal would jump at getting Bennett in return.


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[Scroopy Noopers]

Thank goodness actual GMs don’t “cut their losses and take what they can get”. What a take.

[Winsor_Pilates]

It's sad how fast people turn on Tkachuk, his name shouldn't even be coming up in this thread unless a serious rumor initiated by another team's offer is made.

Johnny has played very well most nights this year and is back to showing he is the offense of this team.

There's one "top" player who is clearly a step behind the others & that's Monahan. At this point, he has become our 3rd best centre.
A decent return for him and a real NHL coach would elevate this team a great deal quickly.

[Erick Estrada]

I would trade Tkachuk in an instant for the right offer. He's a talented player so it would have to be for a deal where a very good player comes back in return. I simply don't see any clutch in Tkachuk and IMO his antics usually fire up the opposition making life more difficult for the team. The bigger the game the more he disappears. He's usually very quiet in the final month of the regular season and playoffs and when you consider his skating hasn't improved as a pro he's going to likely become a power play specialist when he's in his 30's. Not a guy I want to tie up with an 8 year deal.