2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

To be clear, I don’t really care how a player interviews. And i’d say it’s a relatively small part of the job of a captain.

But when fans talk about a player being “captain material” it usually just means the player is media savvy enough to give good interviews and that’s about all we ever see.

The Captain needs to have the respect of the players.

Not to mention that there have been interviews in the past where Gio doesn't exactly hide his feelings for silly questions.

[Enoch Root]

I don't think Tkachuk is overrated, and the way some have turned on him because he has been struggling for a couple weeks is ridiculous and, at times, disgusting.

He is an intelligent player who does lots of little things well. He is definitely a top line player.

I do not believe he is captain material though.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

The Peg is no pushover this season, and we've only played Edmonton once.
...the 'Yucks I will grant to you.

This is not how you properly rib your competitors.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Stupid question but has there ever been a trade scenario where a team trades a player and the other team takes on a portion of a players contract on the other team?

Example

To CBJ Sam Bennett
To CGY 2.5m for 2 years on Lucic’s salary.


Could make Lucic trade or Seattle expansion much more favourable.

Nope, can't do that, and I'm pretty sure there is a rule that precludes you from trading away a player and then reacquiring him with retained salary (at least you'd have to wait a few months).

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Neither am I. The number has seemed daunting to me since it was announced that would be his qualifying offer. I can’t be alone there.

Yup, but we're also not the only fanbase with a player in this situation. Point, Laine, and a few others I can't recall off the top of my head signed similar deals.

For most it's a 2 year gamble to take the QO route...they could sign an extension this Jul-1 equivalent

Tkachuk happens to have generational wealth behind him, which certainly makes it easier to bet on himself/buy insurance to control his destiny.

Of course, the pandemic/cap have thrown a big wrench into things, so signing the big deal ~2 years from now may be a lot better than 5 months from now.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Point and Laine? Are we comparing what Tkachuk brings to Point and Laine? Really?

It’s a weird position to be in, as a huge fan of a particular player, but also in no way see him as the top forward on the team as so many others apparently do. Or see us having a winning team if that was the case (without a huge step up).

[868904]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Point and Laine? Are we comparing what Tkachuk brings to Point and Laine? Really?

It’s a weird position to be in, as a huge fan of a particular player, but also in no way see him as the top forward on the team as so many others apparently do. Or see us having a winning team if that was the case (without a huge step up).

I think Tkachuk is up there with Laine. I think BJs take Tkachuk for Laine one for one, I think they even be willing to add.

Teams LOVE Tkachuk's antics. They want him on their team.

Point is better than Tkachuk no doubt.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think Tkachuk is up there with Laine. I think BJs take Tkachuk for Laine one for one, I think they even be willing to add.

Teams LOVE Tkachuk's antics. They want him on their team.

Point is better than Tkachuk no doubt.

Well Laine has additional issues that hurt his value, I agree. But his On ice game is top player on most teams.

[Enoch Root]

I would not trade Tkachuk for Laine.

Point, yes.

[Two Fivenagame]

Point for Tkachuk?

Start the car!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would not trade Tkachuk for Laine.

Point, yes.

Absolutely. I think Point moves the needle more than Tkachuk.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Stupid question but has there ever been a trade scenario where a team trades a player and the other team takes on a portion of a players contract on the other team?

Example

To CBJ Sam Bennett
To CGY 2.5m for 2 years on Lucic’s salary.

No, that's not possible.

[Roof-Daddy]

Looks like Johnny has bounced back so the sharp pointy sticks have found a new target in Tkachuk I see.

Personally, I'm of the belief that both are serious flight risks, and that neither will be worth the AAV's they get on their next contracts, so I'm all for trading either (or both) if it makes the team better in the long run.

It is nice to see Johnny having a resurgence though, that way if he does have to be moved, Treliving can maximize his value hopefully.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Looks like Johnny has bounced back so the sharp pointy sticks have found a new target in Tkachuk I see.

Personally, I'm of the belief that both are serious flight risks, and that neither will be worth the AAV's they get on their next contracts, so I'm all for trading either (or both) if it makes the team better in the long run.

It is nice to see Johnny having a resurgence though, that way if he does have to be moved, Treliving can maximize his value hopefully.

Can you point out one sharp pointy stick at Tkachuk here? Maybe I’m misreading it, but it seems to me everybody is in agreement that he’s a great part of the team. The harshest criticisms have been: not the best forward on the team, $9mil av seems like overpaying, and he may not be best suited to be a captain.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Can you point out one sharp pointy stick at Tkachuk here? Maybe I’m misreading it, but it seems to me everybody is in agreement that he’s a great part of the team. The harshest criticisms have been: not the best forward on the team, $9mil av seems like overpaying, and he may not be best suited to be a captain.

Well, there was also this...

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Tkachuk is way overrated on these boards. I don’t see a top line player when I watch him. In fact, if he’s your best player you’re in trouble.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, there was also this...

I agree with the latter half of that statement.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, there was also this...

Doesn't that post say that Tkachuk is the best player on the team?

How harsh is it really? I think Lindholm is the best player on the team, even though I think Tkachuk is a top-line player.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Doesn't that post say that Tkachuk is the best player on the team?

How harsh is it really? I think Lindholm is the best player on the team, and I think Tkachuk is a top-line player.

The fact that Tkachuk is a top-line player renders the post an obviously false exaggeration.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The fact that Tkachuk is a top-line player renders the post an obviously false exaggeration.

Alright so one fat end of the pool cue criticism.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Meh, I don't think it matters if Tkachuk is your best player or not, and the argument to me is moot.


What I think is that Tkachuk can't be your only good player.



After the playoffs ended, I wanted the Flames to either blow it up or ADD to the existing core without moving talent in order to get it. I don't think it was a question of mix, but rather a lack of enough talent. Trading Gaudreau and/or Monahan wasn't really going to fix the real issues in my mind, and the Flames were likely going to get back a less skilled player in the process.


They lost Brodie - which I think hurts. Great defensively, elite on the transition, and he nullifies fore-checking pressure like nobody else. To me, that's still a loss, but a loss that Calgary can absorb as Tanev has been phenomenal on defence and has done well enough at transitioning the puck out of the zone that I think it is at least close to a push. Losing Hamonic has been a gain there as now you have 3 stable (Gio-Andersson are stabilizing anyway) defence pairs that you didn't have for a while.


They added another elite player to the core in Markstrom. Maybe goaltending hasn't been the big issue in the playoffs (cough Elliott cough cough), but I felt that at no time has goaltending been a strength either. You don't need a goaltender to steal a series or even games. You need a goalie to steal a period here and there and give your team a chance to win when they are flat. That goes a LONG way to winning a championship IMO.


Flames have 2 runs at the cup now with this core (if they re-sign Gaudreau - I imagine if they will not re-sign Gaudreau, they will trade him this upcoming off-season - I personally hope they re-sign him). Gaudreau is on a really nice deal, as is Monahan, and Tkachuck. I don't believe that Giordano has fallen off a cliff - I think this season he will return to form (and he is unquestionably moving in that direction in the last few games), so you have 2 seasons' worth of Giordano in your top 6 somewhere.


I don't think that the make-up of the team was wrong when it comes to the core, but there was simply not enough talent on this team. Switching out pieces of the core for different pieces was likely to result in the same disappointments, unless lightning was caught in the bottle for a while.



Flames added Markstrom and Tanev, and lost Hamonic = all positives.
Flames lost Brodie (huge negatives), lost Jankowski (small negative - he was great on the PK and was decent on the dot, but also didn't move the needle much, hence small negative). I think this team is better on paper this year.


I think this year is their best chance to win the cup. I hope that a good piece falls into their laps between now and trade deadline day. Heck, I hope Bennett is retained since he is a proven playoff performer (as was Brodie.. grumble grumble).



Tkachuk doesn't need to be the captain or not the captain, or the best player or not the best player. This team just needed to add MORE talent, and they got that with Markstrom and plugged a huge leaking hole on the team. Now it is about getting this team playing the right way and maybe adding a final piece or two to the roster by the trade deadline and seeing what they are capable of.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Point and Laine? Are we comparing what Tkachuk brings to Point and Laine? Really?

It’s a weird position to be in, as a huge fan of a particular player, but also in no way see him as the top forward on the team as so many others apparently do. Or see us having a winning team if that was the case (without a huge step up).

They signed very similar contracts in the same off season.

Tkachuk coming off 77pt season (Point was 92pts...he definitely seems to have taken the Tampa discount).

All I'm saying is there are pros and cons to the bridge deals, for both sides, and we aren't the only ones to face the dilemma.

Kyle Connor was at least a baby-step below MT at the time and signed 7x7.142. Rantanen a full step above at 6x9.25. Unlikely MT was going more than 6 years IMO.