Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by curves2000

The level of cuts that happened today at Bell Media, specifically CTV News, is downright shocking. Some of the best and brightest in the country were let go. This is a serious issue that governs our democracy in this country. People need to be held to account in politics, business and in government. We need an informed public.

I understand that people watch their news and get their reporting in different ways than before, less radio, tv, newspaper etc but the need for that news is still very much required.

I know people say they get their news from facebook, twitter or some random podcast etc but that news is only being repurposed. There are no facebook reporters asking questions to the people in government and in power or reporting on matters before the courts, those are journalists at media companies.

I don't know what the answer is but can we continue to sit idle and see the private broadcasters continue to fad away and than ONLY support CBC for the most part and than wonder why people have issues with that? Bell had some very pointed issues with the government and their policies, I think people need to have a look. We need to work together as a country to try and solve this issue as best as possible, it's worth fighting for.

Tough to see as I enjoyed all the people let go so far that I know of.

It sounds like working together to support and protect working class people in the private sector is your goal here. Which parties do think are the most willing to pass legislation to do just that?

[timun]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Bell had some very pointed issues with the government and their policies, I think people need to have a look. We need to work together as a country to try and solve this issue as best as possible, it's worth fighting for.

I'm sorry, you're going to have to slow-walk me through this: Bell Canada Enterprises—one of the biggest corporations in this country, which makes $20,000,000,000+ every year, year after year—unceremoniously fires 1300 people, and...

... I'm supposed to feel sorry for this enormous soul-sucking conglomerate? I'm supposed to "work together" to solve their "issues"?



Maybe they can sell me a reasonable cellular roaming plan in the US as a start. Until then: #### that and #### them!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by timun

I'm sorry, you're going to have to slow-walk me through this: Bell Canada Enterprises—one of the biggest corporations in this country, which makes $20,000,000,000+ every year, year after year—unceremoniously fires 1300 people, and...

... I'm supposed to feel sorry for this enormous soul-sucking conglomerate? I'm supposed to "work together" to solve their "issues"?



Maybe they can sell me a reasonable cellular roaming plan in the US as a start. Until then: #### that and #### them!

Woah man...Bell: Let's Talk.

No, I agree with you.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by timun

I'm sorry, you're going to have to slow-walk me through this: Bell Canada Enterprises—one of the biggest corporations in this country, which makes $20,000,000,000+ every year, year after year—unceremoniously fires 1300 people, and...

... I'm supposed to feel sorry for this enormous soul-sucking conglomerate? I'm supposed to "work together" to solve their "issues"?



Maybe they can sell me a reasonable cellular roaming plan in the US as a start. Until then: #### that and #### them!

I don't feel bad for the corporation that is Bell or any other of the media companies in Canada. I do feel bad for the media and news lines of business employee's who do incredibly important work for the public.

We the people should want a viable and strong media and journalism landscape for our own protection and benefit. We need to keep the people in power in check and have an informed public.

We already have enough politicians, corporations, governments and more running wild and they are getting even more bold in their corruption .

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you provide evidence and specific claims on this one?

Lowered standards of living you mean?

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It sounds like working together to support and protect working class people in the private sector is your goal here. Which parties do think are the most willing to pass legislation to do just that?

This isn't a political party situation though. The private sector makes business decision regarding expansion, employee headcount and more all the time.

The issue we have is that when government's allowed the spectrum, the airwaves, the fiber optics and all the other media and telecommunication infrastructure to be built over the year's, it was done under the condition that companies provide what is considered an essential service to the public. Radio, tv, news, media, internet, phone service, wireless service etc.

If we look at these telecom's and they look at the independent media as just a line of business to continue to shrink, than nobody benefits.

We need a strong independent media asking tough questions and keeping people in line. In other countries they protest, burn things down, try and deal with corruption in other way like kidnapping people in power and more. We need to have a voice for the people or else the power brokers just take over and nobody wants that.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1669193262987374593

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by curves2000

This isn't a political party situation though. The private sector makes business decision regarding expansion, employee headcount and more all the time.

The issue we have is that when government's allowed the spectrum, the airwaves, the fiber optics and all the other media and telecommunication infrastructure to be built over the year's, it was done under the condition that companies provide what is considered an essential service to the public. Radio, tv, news, media, internet, phone service, wireless service etc.

If we look at these telecom's and they look at the independent media as just a line of business to continue to shrink, than nobody benefits.

We need a strong independent media asking tough questions and keeping people in line. In other countries they protest, burn things down, try and deal with corruption in other way like kidnapping people in power and more. We need to have a voice for the people or else the power brokers just take over and nobody wants that.

In that case it sadly sounds like you’re just using job losses as a means to pull at people’s heart strings to attack unspecified government policy and indirectly publicly funded media because you can’t(or least to this point haven’t attempted to) make an argument that private media is actually being held back in any way other than to say that the multibillion dollar private media company told you so.

If you want to puppet messages for billionaires that’s all well and good but on behalf of working people who face significantly more hardships than they do it’d be very much appreciated if you didn’t use us as pawns when doing so.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Lowered standards of living you mean?

Sure that works, evidence of lower standard of living as a result of specific Trudeau policy or actions and why you think their is causality between them.

[GordonBlue]

Russia says relations with Canada close to 'being severed' as Ottawa seizes cargo plane

Canada was first G7 country to enact a law to seize assets and divert funds to victims of sanctioned regime

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rus...lane-1.6876794

"The Russian side warns that the practical implementation of this decision will entail the most serious repercussions for Russian-Canadian relations, which are already on the verge of being severed," the ministry wrote.

"We reserve the right to retaliate in line with the reciprocity principle."

"Canada's approach to seizure and forfeiture is the first of its kind globally. It is certainly the case that Russia would be deeply concerned if other countries followed Canada's approach."

[GGG]

Originally Posted by zamler

Poor misunderstood Trudeau was simply trying to help no good deed goes unpunished.

I think policies of subsidizing subscriptions and subsidizing employees limits the damage that the government can do to these organizations in terms of influence.

The only point of contention is what is a legitimate Canadian news organization and so far I don’t see objectionable decisions being made by this group/. But the general point is is that a) the government is doing something and b) if the government is doing something with private news to fund it there are groups of people who will immediately call that tainted and I do T think you can be in the group that wants funding of private news and complains in general about it purchasing editorials. (Obviously you could discuss policy implementation of it and it’s pros and cons)

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Russia says relations with Canada close to 'being severed' as Ottawa seizes cargo plane

Canada was first G7 country to enact a law to seize assets and divert funds to victims of sanctioned regime

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rus...lane-1.6876794

"The Russian side warns that the practical implementation of this decision will entail the most serious repercussions for Russian-Canadian relations, which are already on the verge of being severed," the ministry wrote.

"We reserve the right to retaliate in line with the reciprocity principle."

"Canada's approach to seizure and forfeiture is the first of its kind globally. It is certainly the case that Russia would be deeply concerned if other countries followed Canada's approach."

Oh no!

Anyway

[Azure]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I don't feel bad for the corporation that is Bell or any other of the media companies in Canada. I do feel bad for the media and news lines of business employee's who do incredibly important work for the public.

We the people should want a viable and strong media and journalism landscape for our own protection and benefit. We need to keep the people in power in check and have an informed public.

We already have enough politicians, corporations, governments and more running wild and they are getting even more bold in their corruption .

Perhaps Bell should consider not getting into bed with the government at every single possible opportunity, and then one single person other than yourself will have sympathy for them.

We're running into an economic downturn. People have less money to spend. That means we'll see layoffs and cut backs.

Perhaps Bell should consider cutting some of their ridiculously high prices for basic things like cell phone plans so that people can afford their services.

Or perhaps they could also reshift some of those employees elsewhere instead of just firing them. Surely profits wouldn't take that much of a hit would they?

[burn_this_city]

Russia flying around in 400 stolen lease airliners, how dare you take our cargo jet.

[PepsiFree]

Bell provides some of the worst services and lowest quality of any of “the majors,” then lays off a bunch of people.

Normal people: “Ok.”

Guy who talks about all his friends buying sports cars with government money: “Wow, this is the government’s fault.”

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Russia says relations with Canada close to 'being severed' as Ottawa seizes cargo plane

Canada was first G7 country to enact a law to seize assets and divert funds to victims of sanctioned regime

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rus...lane-1.6876794

"The Russian side warns that the practical implementation of this decision will entail the most serious repercussions for Russian-Canadian relations, which are already on the verge of being severed," the ministry wrote.

"We reserve the right to retaliate in line with the reciprocity principle."

"Canada's approach to seizure and forfeiture is the first of its kind globally. It is certainly the case that Russia would be deeply concerned if other countries followed Canada's approach."

Wait until we get to spank them at their favourite sport again.

[shotinthebacklund]

Another day another concerning report. Government provided 200M to a Beijing controlled bank for development of oil and gas in China. Now that its come to light, they will do a review, nothing to see here.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

In that case it sadly sounds like you’re just using job losses as a means to pull at people’s heart strings to attack unspecified government policy and indirectly publicly funded media because you can’t(or least to this point haven’t attempted to) make an argument that private media is actually being held back in any way other than to say that the multibillion dollar private media company told you so.

If you want to puppet messages for billionaires that’s all well and good but on behalf of working people who face significantly more hardships than they do it’d be very much appreciated if you didn’t use us as pawns when doing so.

I am not puppet messaging for billionaires or Bell or any other corporation. Certain realities in the media business are just happening but there is a massive difference between a TSN radio station in Edmonton talking about the 2 loser NHL team we have here in Alberta and the news division giving valuable and vital journalism.

Insert whatever policies, politics, concerns or values you hold near and dear to your heart, you have always been fairly well informed on this board. Are you going to go and report on the concerns and report back? Can we expect critical analysis and fact checking on an important criminal trial in the area from you? What scandal will you break or hit back on people in power with your sources? Probably not much because it isn't your job but than when it's nobody's job, what happens? Government and companies can than do literally whatever it is that they want to you and to me and to everybody else pays the price. It already happens already and we should be pushing back.

I get that this isn't a topic or concern for a lot of people and that's a shame. Canadian's a lot of the times have their noses in the air and are about as clueless as flies when it comes to a lot of matters. We take our lifestyle and our democracy for granted 100%. People in other countries don't cause they have experienced it firsthand and what happens when power corrupts. We need a strong, independent free press for the good of all.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Another day another concerning report. Government provided 200M to a Beijing controlled bank for development of oil and gas in China. Now that its come to light, they will do a review, nothing to see here.

Sorry what is the main objection on this one? Is it just an investment (in which case there will be a contract, with set provisions, expected returns, legally enforceable, etc.)?

Is this like CPP related maybe? You got any details whatsoever?

Hell, might end up being a hell of an investment for all we know?

[Yoho]

The knives are out.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1669410954495311893