“ As President Biden and his administration have told it in recent months, America has the fastest-growing economy in the world, his student debt forgiveness program passed Congress by a vote or two, and Social Security benefits became more generous thanks to his leadership.”
“None of that was accurate.”
You missed a really good response from MaritimeQscout on the last page. He was asking if you could respond to him.
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DHS was weaponized to try and manufacture evidence of terrorist activities and membership in such organizations of the people involved and arrested in Portland as a result of the protests against racial inequity.
"...in the course of the investigation, the review uncovered the practice of using Operational Background Reports (OBRs, colloquially “baseball cards”) to create dossiers on USPERs arrested by federal authorities in Portland. Significant irregularities apparently existed regarding this practice given the collection, retention and potential dissemination of USPI regarding persons arrested for offenses seemingly unrelated to homeland security."
You missed a really good response from MaritimeQscout on the last page. He was asking if you could respond to him.
I commend you for trying to have an honest conversation here but do you really expect a rational, well-thought out response? There are plenty of conservative people that don't fall for and parrot the Alt-Right lies. Others seem to gleefully lose the ability and/or will to think for themselves. They get hooked by the right-wing propaganda network that seems to permeate the political, business and media landscape throughout the world. Most reasonable people look at the facts as objectively as they can and then draw a conclusion based on the evidence. Others start with the conclusion and then twist (or even manufacture) the facts to suit their conclusion. It's a sad reflection of the human condition but ultimately boring. The interesting question, at least to me, is why are they like this? It seems like there are two probable broad options:
1- This is a learned mindset: They were raised in an environment where these toxic notions were forced fed to them and is now part of their identity. This could be either through their developmental years or they fell down the Alt-Right rabbit hole at some point. Or it could be their livelihood depends on ignoring certain evidence that doesn't fit the narrative they're trying to stuff themselves into.
2- They are an agent of the propaganda who may or may not believe the lies they share but benefit from it.
If Yoho falls in the first category I feel sorry for him in that he is essentially living in ignorance and is a puppet of the people who actually benefit from the lies. Anecdotally, I've found that only a really significant (and unfortunately painful) incident that is undeniable is likely to awaken someone from this type of intellectual stupor. I would like to believe that these people are not a lost cause and it's worth trying to engage in dialogue with them. However, Yoho doesn't seem to want to engage in dialogue but rather just spreads the propaganda and then disappears. In which case, it seems like he falls in the latter category. If so, than he is not only not worth engaging in honest conversation, but it is best to ignore him so as not to give me any more platform than he already has. Stickman also seems to fall in this category.
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I commend you for trying to have an honest conversation here but do you really expect a rational, well-thought out response? There are plenty of conservative people that don't fall for and parrot the Alt-Right lies. Others seem to gleefully lose the ability and/or will to think for themselves. They get hooked by the right-wing propaganda network that seems to permeate the political, business and media landscape throughout the world. Most reasonable people look at the facts as objectively as they can and then draw a conclusion based on the evidence. Others start with the conclusion and then twist (or even manufacture) the facts to suit their conclusion. It's a sad reflection of the human condition but ultimately boring. The interesting question, at least to me, is why are they like this? It seems like there are two probable broad options:
1- This is a learned mindset: They were raised in an environment where these toxic notions were forced fed to them and is now part of their identity. This could be either through their developmental years or they fell down the Alt-Right rabbit hole at some point. Or it could be their livelihood depends on ignoring certain evidence that doesn't fit the narrative they're trying to stuff themselves into.
2- They are an agent of the propaganda who may or may not believe the lies they share but benefit from it.
If Yoho falls in the first category I feel sorry for him in that he is essentially living in ignorance and is a puppet of the people who actually benefit from the lies. Anecdotally, I've found that only a really significant (and unfortunately painful) incident that is undeniable is likely to awaken someone from this type of intellectual stupor. I would like to believe that these people are not a lost cause and it's worth trying to engage in dialogue with them. However, Yoho doesn't seem to want to engage in dialogue but rather just spreads the propaganda and then disappears. In which case, it seems like he falls in the latter category. If so, than he is not only not worth engaging in honest conversation, but it is best to ignore him so as not to give me any more platform than he already has. Stickman also seems to fall in this category.
It's still important to engage in good faith, even if the other is a troll (not saying that Yoho is).
The reason being, the discussion isn't had in a vacuum. It's important for others to hear and understand the conversation.
I love this scene as it partly explains what I try to do when I engage. I say partly, as if new information does arise, I'll reassess my position.
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The American democracy experiment is pretty much dead. Their democracy is circling the drain. One can only hope it doesn’t drag all the other functioning democratic countries down with it.
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A pretty important moment, this could be the last democratic vote in American history, and I was there for it!
Oh there will always be elections in the US, they just won't matter once states get to ignore the votes and change their electoral votes to whatever they want
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Oh there will always be elections in the US, they just won't matter once states get to ignore the votes and change their electoral votes to whatever they want
Hence why I specified "last democratic vote".
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While I don't agree with this disgusting behavior.
Is it really intimidating?
It's secret ballot. You're just dropping off a sealed envelope (if I'm not mistaken).
Sure the 'watchers' are armed. But like, isn't everyone? It's Arizona!
I'm not trying to make fun, but is it really *that* abnormal? Which is a sad indictment of society as a whole as opposed to this incident.
Like, is it that different from going to Target?
Voting is an exercise in social trust, you are trusting that those counting will be honest, you are trusting that those who do not win will accept the results, you are trusting that a large enough group of people will choose someone acceptable, if necessary you are trusting your anonymity will be protects.
When you you see clear signals that the first 3 are being broken, when you are have people people brandishing weapons in your face, it becomes a lot harder to trust in the forth and stare these nutcases down.
Voting is an exercise in social trust, you are trusting that those counting will be honest, you are trusting that those who do not win will accept the results, you are trusting that a large enough group of people will choose someone acceptable, if necessary you are trusting your anonymity will be protects.
When you you see clear signals that the first 3 are being broken, when you are have people people brandishing weapons in your face, it becomes a lot harder to trust in the forth and stare these nutcases down.
Exactly this. It gives the impression that the one side, which is armed and has a clear political agenda, won't accept anything but a win for themselves. It's implied that things will get violent if they don't win. Some people might feel compelled to change their vote or not participate at all out of fear. These people know exactly what they are doing are trying to affect the outcome of the election by "guarding" the ballot boxes. I would probably think twice about voting with a terroristy looking guy standing right there.
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While I don't agree with this disgusting behavior.
Is it really intimidating?
Depends, do you want to drop off a few ballots for you and your family and then have a video of you doing so put up on the Internet and then used in a movie by right wing nut jobs saying you're a mule? Then have to go into hiding because the mob IDs you in the video and starts making threats?
Ask Ruby Freeman how she feels about how that kind of thing goes.
In theory it's fine-ish, but when a large portion of one party believes the last election was fraudulent and that they're called to defend America with their 1st Amendment rights it's a recipe for escalation.
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