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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Ignore cost of living sky rocketing, crime uncontrollable to be another drone yelling at a made up enemy on tv.

Clinton already saying the election will be stolen, will you be upset when she election denies?

Fascist? you have all the buzz words parroted by the media.

We need more free independent thinkers.

Get the economy in tract instead of focusing on enemies of the state.

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Those are reasonable points. Can you show me your sources? As some of that is new information to me, and I'd like to take it in so I can freely and independently form my opinion.

Those actually aren't very reasonable points. They are ignorance of the facts and buying into the projectionist narrative that conservatives love to yammer on about, and they are projecting and trying to blame others for their own problems.

Who has built up a false enemy that is covered 24x7 in their media? Watch the right-wing media and you will be buried in fear mongering and hate, non-stop. They do not let up for a minute, because the second that cortisol drip they are feeding your brain ceases, the moment you start being that free thinker that Yoho supposedly wants people to be. This isn't some "narrative" about the practices of right-wing media, this has been studied and proven to have the very negative outcomes we are seeing in our society today. If Yoho were being honest they would throw some research behind their grandiose claims and try to understand what is the reality to these issues.

Increasing or out of control crime? This is a state's rights issue and red states lead the way in out-of-control crime.

Inflation and skyrocketing cost of living? That's a consequence of fiscal policy. Responses to fiscal policy take 18-24 months to manifest in the general economic system. A policy put in place today will not filter its way into meaningful change for an extended period of time because of the speed at which bureaucracy and adoption challenges. What we are feeling right now is the result of Trump fiscal policies of $2 trillion of tax breaks and then half a trillion in forgiven PPP loans. The influx of cash with unregulated markets has driven inflation into over-drive. The Fed is then forced to take action in response and increase interest rates in hopes of slowing down the runaway freight train. Coupled with global geopolitical uncertainty caused by Trump's isolationist tactics we have been thrust into a perfect storm of global inflation.

These are two very real issues, but the reality is they are created by the very people who are screaming from the roof tops about those problems. You just have to try and understand how them which the self-proclaimed "free thinkers" rarely do. Their world view is created, actually manufactured, in the bowels of think tanks who only thirst for power, then spread disinformation through the well-constructed right-wing noise machine of opinion-based "news", hate radio, the circular referencing blogosphere, and amplified by unfiltered or fact-checked social media.

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1584906492146245632

Tell me exactly where she is wrong? Trust me, I hate Clinton and think she should go away, but where is she wrong? Twelve of 19 GOP candidates for governor or the US Senate have refused to commit to accepting election results should they go against their party. Almost two-thirds of Republican candidates. Contrast that with all Democrats willing to accept the will of the people and you can see the warning signs.

"In a survey by The Washington Post of 19 of the most closely watched statewide races in the country, the contrast between Republican and Democratic candidates was stark. While seven GOP nominees committed to accepting the outcomes in their contests, 12 either refused to commit or declined to respond. On the Democratic side, all 19 nominees contacted by The Post said they would accept the outcome."

How can you say otherwise when the candidates are saying the quiet parts out loud these days?

"Republicans will never lose another election in Wisconsin after I'm elected governor," Wisconsin GOP gubernatorial candidate Tim Michels said this week."

Right out of the horse's mouth, or maybe the other end? Fact is, they are now admitting to doing the unthinkable, so where is Clinton wrong in what she says?

One last point I want to make is the ridiculous narrative about Trump Derangement Syndrome, so proudly embraced and echoed at every opportunity by those "free thinkers" out there. Yes, Trump gets under the skin of people who are not cult members. He is a despicable human being who has cheated his way through life. People despised him before he ran for office, so this is nothing new. If you really want to see a group of people froth at the mouth and go apoplectic over just the mention of name, just mention the name Hilary Clinton around conservatives. Bring popcorn and watch the fireworks. They lose their ####. And it's been going on for two decades! What's even funnier, you can generate the same reaction by throwing out Nancy Pelosi. Or even just the initials AOC. The responses are unhinged. So when it comes to possible derangement syndromes, I think there is a lot of projectionism going on from our conservative friends they should try and explain away.

[photon]

At least the US got a few years of deficit decrease before Republicans take over Congress.

[GirlySports]

Not looking good for Democrats

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...p-senate-house

Running the model 40,000 times, 54 out of 100 times, the GOP will control both houses.

And I think that's low because undecideds (those that polling doesn't pick up) tend to vote against the party in power they're mad at the economy.

[activeStick]

Polling also doesn't account for the young vote. If the Dems can get the young to turn out for the midterms, they might still be fine in the Senate.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Polling also doesn't account for the young vote. If the Dems can get the young to turn out for the midterms, they might still be fine in the Senate.

What have the Dems really done to attract the youth vote though? Student loan forgiveness maybe.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Polling also doesn't account for the young vote. If the Dems can get the young to turn out for the midterms, they might still be fine in the Senate.

When have the youth EVER turned out to vote? The democrats keep banking on that, and they keep getting disappointed every time

[photon]

The climate portion of the Inflation Reduction Act should also appeal to younger people who are more concerned about the climate (aren't they?).

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

When have the youth EVER turned out to vote? The democrats keep banking on that, and they keep getting disappointed every time

They turn out. Just takes them a few decades.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Those actually aren't very reasonable points. They are ignorance of the facts and buying into the projectionist narrative that conservatives love to yammer on about, and they are projecting and trying to blame others for their own problems.

They would be reasonable, if true. It's reasonable to think that, then verify. Once there is verification to deny, then they become unreasonable.

I was merely giving the opportunity go verify, which, has yet to come (likely due to the facts not aligning).

[Yoho]

This is basically his own staff NY Times walking sleepy Joe out.
Dusting off the knifes looks like the end game is near.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/04/u...urity.amp.html

“ As President Biden and his administration have told it in recent months, America has the fastest-growing economy in the world, his student debt forgiveness program passed Congress by a vote or two, and Social Security benefits became more generous thanks to his leadership.”
“None of that was accurate.”

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

When have the youth EVER turned out to vote? The democrats keep banking on that, and they keep getting disappointed every time

Taylor Swift could get them out. Kingmaker!

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by troutman

Taylor Swift could get them out. Kingmaker!

This might come as a shock, but Taylor Swift is 32. Young in the context of politics I guess, but not young in the eyes of actual young people.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Yoho

This is basically his own staff NY Times walking sleepy Joe out.
Dusting off the knifes looks like the end game is near.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/04/u...urity.amp.html

“ As President Biden and his administration have told it in recent months, America has the fastest-growing economy in the world, his student debt forgiveness program passed Congress by a vote or two, and Social Security benefits became more generous thanks to his leadership.”
“None of that was accurate.”

You missed a really good response from MaritimeQscout on the last page. He was asking if you could respond to him.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Polling also doesn't account for the young vote. If the Dems can get the young to turn out for the midterms, they might still be fine in the Senate.

young people voting and Soccer about to become the next big thing are two things I hear all the time and have been waiting for them to happen for 42 years.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Ignore cost of living sky rocketing, crime uncontrollable to be another drone yelling at a made up enemy on tv.

Clinton already saying the election will be stolen, will you be upset when she election denies?

Fascist? you have all the buzz words parroted by the media.

We need more free independent thinkers.

Get the economy in tract instead of focusing on enemies of the state.

I see nothing to convince me that Rs can handle those better that the Dems. I think if the Rs take power this may be the last free and fair election we’ll ever see in the States. Economic problems are temporary; fascism is not.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

This might come as a shock, but Taylor Swift is 32.

Off topic but wow I didn't realize she's 32.. and she just got the entire top 10 on the Billboard Top 100. Crazy.

[Dion]

GOP Congressman Dan Crenshaw says election deniers know they’re lying

The representative from Houston said fellow Republicans admitted behind closed doors that the 2020 election wasn’t stolen, and he warned that such messaging could dangerously mislead voters.

Speaking with former congressional candidate and election reform advocate Nick Troiano on his podcast, “Hold These Truths,” the Texas Republican said fellow members of his party were merely trying to signal their disapproval of former President Donald Trump’s loss but knew there was no real mechanism to overturn it. Still, he warned that messaging could dangerously lead to voters losing faith in the electoral process.

“It was always a lie. The whole thing was always a lie. And it was a lie meant to rile people up,” Crenshaw said, deriding some of his peers as “political personalities” rather than “politicians.” He did not name the members he was referring to.

“People just need their last hurrah. They just need to feel like they fought one last time,” he added. Other members told him, “‘Trust me, it’ll be fine.’ And I was like, ‘No, it won’t! That’s not what people believe and that’s not what you’re telling them.’”

Crenshaw has spoken frequently against members of his party who he said focus primarily on projecting conservative soundbites over serious legislating, calling them the “woke right.” That arm of the party, he said, will likely only keep growing with more hardline Republicans in toe with Trump running in favorable districts this year. Republicans are widely expected to win control of the U.S. House in the next Congress.

“This extreme willingness to say the most extreme things just to grab people’s attention and then the people’s willingness to believe some of it,” Crenshaw said on the podcast. “There just doesn’t seem to be a limit to how far some people are willing to go.”

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/11...ction-deniers/

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Dion

GOP Congressman Dan Crenshaw says election deniers know they’re lying







https://www.texastribune.org/2022/11...ction-deniers/

I'm not sure what's worse. Stupid and crazy or evil and crazy

What am I talking about? This is the republican party. It's not an either or thing

[activeStick]

Student loan forgiveness, the various initiatives to combat climate change and the immediate forgiveness of those prosecuted for marijuana violations to name just a few things that the administration has done which should appeal to the young. The problem I've always had is that because they don't get everything they wish for, the young sit by on the sidelines and complain on forums and social media instead. Then when the right wins partly due to these people not voting, they go to social media again and complain some more.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Dion

GOP Congressman Dan Crenshaw says election deniers know they’re lying







https://www.texastribune.org/2022/11...ction-deniers/

I’m certain that the vast majority of the deniers know the election was not stolen. They’re just trying to gain support for their cause.