I still don't get why people who chose to question suspicious events in life are deemed "conspiracy nuts". With all the lies we are collectively fed every day, maybe more people SHOULD be questioning more.
This is a long thread, and I haven't gone through the entire thing, but here are 2 of my favorite videos that made me question the original story:
Didn't that kind of happen though but more through incompetence and not so much through conspiracy.
Pretty much.
I guess one could raise the question of whether it was true incompetence, or just feigned incompetence. Politicians have a history of playing stupid to get the heat off.
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I mentioned it earlier, but the only alternative 9/11 theory that I see as plausible is that some higher ups in the U.S. government knew that Al Qaeda were planning a terrorist attack and they allowed it to happen so that they could politicize the event to their advantage. Such a conspiracy would not require a lot of people and would be pretty easy to pull off. You'd just need a few people to put bureaucratric roadblocks.
There was poor communication and incompetence created by nearly everyone that touched the intelligence pre-9/11, and that goes all the way back through the Clinton government. There was almost certainly a conspiracy at work on 9/11, and that was a conspiracy of stupidity. They didn't have the specifics of the dates and times, but they certainly had an idea of the use of planes, and they had a rough idea of the air school participants. They didn't have the specific targets either, if I remember some of the stuff that I've read, or the departure points, but they knew that Al-Queda was obsessed with the use of passenger planes.
If the CIA was so sure of things, why did one of the senior members of the CIA who dealt with Al-Queda and knew that Al-Queda was planning something resign from the CIA and go to work at the World Trade Center only to be killed on the day of the attack?
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I'm just saying plausible, not that it is what I believe with certainty. Conspiracy theorists are trying to make things way too complicated. For example, what would be the point of even having controlled detonations at the towers? Like, flying planes into them wouldn't be horrific enough? Why would the government have to risk pulling off an elaborate demolition that would certainly increase the number of people involved? It just doesn't make sense.
Thats the rub isn't it? But it was the only way that the CIA could destroy the alien clone bodies that were being stored in freezers in WTC 7
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I guess one could raise the question of whether it was true incompetence, or just veiled incompetence. Politicians have a history of playing stupid to get the heat off.
you should read "The Looming Tower . . . Al-Queda and theroad to 9/11" by Lawrence Wright. You'll throw that theory out once you understand the tract that the data concerning 9/11 events took.
It wasn't the politicians that really fumbled 9/11 intelligence it was the non-political bureaucrats that caused the information freeze.
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I still don't get why people who chose to question suspicious events in life are deemed "conspiracy nuts". With all the lies we are collectively fed every day, maybe more people SHOULD be questioning more.
This is a long thread, and I haven't gone through the entire thing, but here are 2 of my favorite videos that made me question the original story:
Man, the ######s who believe this conspiracy crap are hilarious. That video is worse than what my 4 year old daughter could make. If you 'believe' that crap I have a painting on my fridge to sell you...
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I guess one could raise the question of whether it was true incompetence, or just feigned incompetence. Politicians have a history of playing stupid to get the heat off.
Indeed. Let me preface this by saying I in no way shape or form believe 9/11 was an inside job, that the U.S. had forewarning and ignored or anything of the like.
That being said, if someone was able to provide documented evidence of "willfull blindness" I could see how a conspiracy like that could get traction.
This other "controlled demolition" stuff is just too ridiculous. The level of competence and secrecy required to pull that off is too great.
All signs point to intelligence agencies stove-piping information and just not having the quality analysis with the copious amounts of information they had. The IC isn't having a problem collecting information; they have a problem in making sense of it.
They continue to have issues regarding "connecting the dots", something that you just can't teach people to do. They have to be trained as best as possible to try, though.
All signs point to intelligence agencies stove-piping information and just not having the quality analysis with the copious amounts of information they had. The IC isn't having a problem collecting information; they have a problem in making sense of it.
They continue to have issues regarding "connecting the dots", something that you just can't teach people to do. They have to be trained as best as possible to try, though.
And this right here is one of the best posts in this thread.
And in simplest form illustrates the problem with the U.S. intelligence services.
However it sounds to me like the Military Intelligence side is vastly improved since 9/11
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And this right here is one of the best posts in this thread.
And in simplest form illustrates the problem with the U.S. intelligence services.
However it sounds to me like the Military Intelligence side is vastly improved since 9/11
Dianne Feinstein, chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, recently stated that their own intelligence was extremely poor and inadequate on predicting the Arab Spring uprisings of 2011. Additionally, the U.S. has had extremely close calls with the failed attempts of the Christmas and Times Square bombers. Luckily, a mix of poorly-developed bomb devices and aware citizens prevented such attacks.
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence was created to help solve collaboration and information sharing issues, but such reforms have been modest at best. For example, introducing the IC's version of Wikipedia called "Intellipedia" to better share information more easily among all analysts, has not made its way into the official, mandatory analysis workflow, and thus is a microchasm of a larger information sharingp problem - agencies dont trust each other, and will often create duplicate information that confuses policy makers not knowing which form of intelligence is the 'official' record. People will look to the CIA or NSA because of their size, but often times, it is the smaller IC agencies that have the critical information. the National Geo-Spatial Agency is one of the agencies known to have critical MASINT, but doesn't always share it.
Anyways, such problems plagued the IC before and after 9/11; those problems are chronic and continue to exist, among sprawling expansion and out-of-control agency budgets. It's all a recipe for disaster to strike again.
One of my favorite youtubers, Edwart Current did a 9/11 video, which is out of the norm for him, but it has to do with building 7 so I had to share since its simple and easy to understand.
Not that it will change any minds
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No building has collapsed as a result of fire! And especially not symmetrical. I wouldnt call it an uncontrolled inferno like the video claims. How can you guys honestly believe isolated fires caused a steel structure to collapse in free fall! Theres no possible way, the official 9/11 story is more like a fairy tale then the so called "conspiracy theories". Im so sick and tired of how anyone who questions their government its either a conspiracy nut or a terrorist. The fact is very educated and bright people have challenged the official 9/11 narrative. These are not kooks, these are not tin-foil hats, these are architects, engineers, congressman, and even official 9/11 commision collaborators. Some interesting quotes:
Here are a few from Paul Craig Roberts, an economist, a writer, and the co-founder of Reganomics. Check out his wikipedia page if you need credentials.
Anyways in the book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" he is quoted as saying "Professor Griffin is the nemesis of the 9/11 cover-up. This new book destroys the credibility of the NIST and Popular Mechanics reports and annihilates his critics." he goes on to say ""The administration figures themselves and prominent Republican propagandists ... are preparing us for another 9/11 event or series of events," he said. "You have to count on the fact that if al Qaeda is not going to do it, it is going to be orchestrated."
On the 9/11 commission report:
"I will begin by stating what we know to be a solid incontrovertible scientific fact. We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to “pancake” at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false... Since the damning incontrovertible fact has not been investigated, speculation and “conspiracy theories” have filled the void"
"One would think that if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations."
And finally the actually members of the 9/11 commission report challenging the official 9/11 narrative:
Research for yourself these folks had some very startling things to say about the 9/11 commission. So how can all these people be mentally ill conspiracy theorists? If the government would come clean and tell the truth, the theories will go away.
I always love how the typical post is a dump of unrelated and garbage info pieced together into a theory with the typical phrase of "Research for yourself, you'll see we are correct". Then when we reply to it with questions, it ALWAYS goes unanswered. So my reply from here on is *facepalm* as it seems to be as productive as typing out a reply rebuttle with questions.
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How can you guys honestly believe isolated fires caused a steel structure to collapse in free fall!.
blah blah blah
Did you watch the video that was posted above your post? It clearly shows a both a steel structure and a small scale demonstration of steel collapsing under load when in a fire for a short time. There is also a video posted elsewhere in this thread that has a building collapse (since 9/11) that was only due to fire, I cant find it though.
I understand that these situations were probably set up by the government to make the sheeple feel better about themselves against the obvious facts the truthers lay out, but you should watch them anyway. You might get a kick out it.
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Research for yourself these folks had some very startling things to say about the 9/11 commission. So how can all these people be mentally ill conspiracy theorists? If the government would come clean and tell the truth, the theories will go away.
You are right, I will willingly admit that not ALL of those people are mentally ill consipiracy theorists, some are just profit mongers
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No building has collapsed as a result of fire! And especially not symmetrical. I wouldnt call it an uncontrolled inferno like the video claims. How can you guys honestly believe isolated fires caused a steel structure to collapse in free fall! Theres no possible way, the official 9/11 story is more like a fairy tale then the so called "conspiracy theories". Im so sick and tired of how anyone who questions their government its either a conspiracy nut or a terrorist. The fact is very educated and bright people have challenged the official 9/11 narrative. These are not kooks, these are not tin-foil hats, these are architects, engineers, congressman, and even official 9/11 commision collaborators. Some interesting quotes:
Here are a few from Paul Craig Roberts, an economist, a writer, and the co-founder of Reganomics. Check out his wikipedia page if you need credentials.
Anyways in the book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" he is quoted as saying "Professor Griffin is the nemesis of the 9/11 cover-up. This new book destroys the credibility of the NIST and Popular Mechanics reports and annihilates his critics." he goes on to say ""The administration figures themselves and prominent Republican propagandists ... are preparing us for another 9/11 event or series of events," he said. "You have to count on the fact that if al Qaeda is not going to do it, it is going to be orchestrated."
On the 9/11 commission report:
"I will begin by stating what we know to be a solid incontrovertible scientific fact. We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to “pancake” at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false... Since the damning incontrovertible fact has not been investigated, speculation and “conspiracy theories” have filled the void"
Let's get this straight, a guy who is an economist and a writer is now qualified to tell us what is scientific fact in the area of building collapse? Unless you can show me the receipt from the Holiday Inn Express he stayed in last night I'm going to call shenanigans.
Oh, and people who question aspects of things aren't necessarily conspiracy nuts, and I don't think I've ever heard them called terrorists. There is however a fairly large group of people who go well beyond questioning, a few of whom have popped up in this very thread. I don't even know what to label them, all I really know is that they are nowhere near as intelligent as they think they are, in fact they appear to be quite stupid.
Good to know that you were there and not making assumptions based ONLY on video evidence and "theories"
Its a shame there is a small group of al Qaeda supporters in Canada and the US
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