2009 NFL Off Season Thread

[transplant99]

Interesting discussion about Cutler on ESPN this AM. Mark Schlereth was on Colin Cowherds show and they both brought up the story of some real off field issues that Cutler is rumoured to have. Cowherd has said that both Fox Denver and 2 other sources he trusts have verified that Cutler has a real drinking problem and also has type 1 diabetes. This is when Schlereth chimed in and said he too believes it and is one of the big reasons that McDaniels wanted to see if their was interest in the trade market on him. Obvioulsy drinking and diabetes do NOT mix and may really shorten his career. That being said it is obvious his talent will interest others no matter what....i mean if Vick can find work again, Cutler (short career or not) will be popular for some teams.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

Smart move by the Broncos to set up an auction, I can't believe Cutler handled some trade rumours this poorly. Talk about a complete disrespecting of an organization that put a ton of faith and opportunity at his feet.

Seriously? Until last night Cutler hadn't said much of anything, not sure how that's handling it poorly.

The Broncos are the ones who screwed this up, a QB who doesn't have the backing of his team is going to fail. It's a no win situation. Denver knew that it would get out when they shopped him, and if they expected him to just shrug it off they're morons. Every single starting QB in the league would react the same way to such a blatant lack of support from their team.

BTW, how is shopping a guy after a pro bowl season putting "a ton of faith and opportunity at his feet"?

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Interesting discussion about Cutler on ESPN this AM. Mark Schlereth was on Colin Cowherds show and they both brought up the story of some real off field issues that Cutler is rumoured to have. Cowherd has said that both Fox Denver and 2 other sources he trusts have verified that Cutler has a real drinking problem and also has type 1 diabetes. This is when Schlereth chimed in and said he too believes it and is one of the big reasons that McDaniels wanted to see if their was interest in the trade market on him. Obvioulsy drinking and diabetes do NOT mix and may really shorten his career. That being said it is obvious his talent will interest others no matter what....i mean if Vick can find work again, Cutler (short career or not) will be popular for some teams.

So is this a case of the Broncos getting out now while Culter's stock is at its highest point? How much truth is there to the story of Cutler not returning any calls? Which side is telling the truth and which one is lying?

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

So is this a case of the Broncos getting out now while Culter's stock is at its highest point? How much truth is there to the story of Cutler not returning any calls? Which side is telling the truth and which one is lying?

At least it has kept the off season entertaining.


?FC West is the worst in the NFL.


Is the first letter of that now an 'A', or does the 'N' keep the crown until proven otherwise?

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

At least it has kept the off season entertaining.


?FC West is the worst in the NFL.


Is the first letter of that now an 'A', or does the 'N' keep the crown until proven otherwise?

Considering a NFC west team represented the entire NFC in the Superbowl, I think the honor has to go to the AFC West this year. Not only are they the worst division in the league, all four teams are dysfunctional.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Considering a NFC west team represented the entire NFC in the Superbowl, I think the honor has to go to the AFC West this year. Not only are they the worst division in the league, all four teams are dysfunctional.

As a Chiefs fan thats kind of exciting. We have a chance at the division and the playoffs despite being a laughing stock.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Redskins reportedly trying to move Jason Campbell to another team for a pick that they would use as part of a package to get Cutler. Reportedly it's a second. So a second, their first and what else? The two picks isn't enough.

FOX sports in New York is reporting the Jets have offered a 1st, 2nd and David Harris.

The Jets pick is 17th, the Redskins 13th

Its gonna take a 2010 1st as well.

[transplant99]

So is this a case of the Broncos getting out now while Culter's stock is at its highest point?

No doubt in my mind.

How much truth is there to the story of Cutler not returning any calls?

WHo knows...but i cant believe that Pat Bowlen is lying about it. However..and this may yet come out...Bus Cook who is Cutlers agent has pulled this kind of crap before and caused unfixable rifts between clients and teams...so that may be where the truth lies.

Which side is telling the truth and which one is lying?

At this point..i would have to lean towards the Broncos being straight up...Cutler has done nothing to help remedy this situation.

The Broncos are the ones who screwed this up

Maybe to begin with....but ANY team in the NFL is obligated to do whats necessary to make their club better...and if McDaniels thought that Cassell would be a better fit for him and his offense and could get a significant return on Cutler...then so be it. You and I may not agree...but so what.

It's a no win situation. Denver knew that it would get out when they shopped him, and if they expected him to just shrug it off they're morons. Every single starting QB in the league would react the same way to such a blatant lack of support from their team

If the "rumors" about him are true...then i disagree completely.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Maybe to begin with....but ANY team in the NFL is obligated to do whats necessary to make their club better...and if McDaniels thought that Cassell would be a better fit for him and his offense and could get a significant return on Cutler...then so be it. You and I may not agree...but so what.



If the "rumors" about him are true...then i disagree completely.

Of course they're obligated to do what's best for the team. I have no problem with them trying to trade him, but to act like he's supposed to show up at camp like nothing happened is ridiculous. The Broncos knew damn well that attempting to trade him was going to sour the relationship, if they didn't see this coming they're just plain naive.

And I'm not sure what you're disagreeing about. Are you arguing that if this happened to another pro-bowl QB the result would be different? I don't believe that for a second. How are any "rumors" about him even an issue here? If he drinks that may be a basis for the desire to trade him, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fallout that has occurred.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

As a Chiefs fan thats kind of exciting. We have a chance at the division and the playoffs despite being a laughing stock.

Diddo as a Raiders fan. The Chargers are so disappointing: they are ultra-talented, solid at most positions, in a weak division and yet, they still have little to show for it the past 6 years.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by valo403

Seriously? Until last night Cutler hadn't said much of anything, not sure how that's handling it poorly.

The Broncos are the ones who screwed this up, a QB who doesn't have the backing of his team is going to fail. It's a no win situation. Denver knew that it would get out when they shopped him, and if they expected him to just shrug it off they're morons. Every single starting QB in the league would react the same way to such a blatant lack of support from their team.

BTW, how is shopping a guy after a pro bowl season putting "a ton of faith and opportunity at his feet"?

Seriously? Shanahan put his behind on the line playing Cutler as a rookie, and the owner paid him quite well. The guy has acted like a spoiled brat, evidenced by guys that are close to the Denver organization calling Cutler a "baby" and "immature".

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

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Seriously? Shanahan put his behind on the line playing Cutler as a rookie, and the owner paid him quite well. The guy has acted like a spoiled brat, evidenced by guys that are close to the Denver organization calling Cutler a "baby" and "immature".

Umm, ya. They gave him a great chance, and he took it and ran with it. And now they want to trade him.

Are you suggesting that because they gave him his start he should just suck it up and go play for an organization that obviously doesn't support him? Why should he? The Broncos made it clear they didn't want him, he's only there because their deal didn't work out, so why shouldn't he tell them to screw themselves? It's not like he went to the Pro-Bowl last year or anything.

If the Broncos want to make a change, fine. I don't have any issue with that. But don't try to squirm out of it when it blows up your face. The Broncos made the decision to alienate their starting QB, now they get to live with it.

[TheRedCrush]

Cutler traded to the Bears.

For Chi. 1st round this year, first round next year, 3rd this year and Kyle orton. The bears will get the 5th round back from the Broncos.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by TheRedCrush

Cutler traded to the Bears.

For Chi. 1st round this year, first round next year, 3rd this year and Kyle orton. The bears will get the 5th round back from the Broncos.

Wow. The Bears have been in the "looking for a QB" or "so-in-so QB might be heading to the Bears" but they didn't seem to be the front runner for Cutler (Jets, Bucs, Vikings, etc...).

In a weak NFC North (?) the Bears have definitely made themselves the favorite.

Oh, DFF, enjoy Kyle Orton. He's a gem.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by TheRedCrush

Cutler traded to the Bears.

For Chi. 1st round this year, first round next year, 3rd this year and Kyle orton. The bears will get the 5th round back from the Broncos.

Wow, I dont understand why the Jets couldnt do something similar? Maybe Orton was the key piece here?

[TheRedCrush]

/\ the jets probably didn't want to give up 2 first round draft picks. Cutler is good but two first round picks is steep in my opinion. As a phin fan i'm glad he's no where near the afc east

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Wow, I dont understand why the Jets couldnt do something similar? Maybe Orton was the key piece here?

I don't think Kyle Orton is much of an upgrade over Simms or whoever is the backup/starter in Denver.

The 18th overall pick and something around 110 overall and a first next year (which will likely be in the high teens to low 20s) makes me conclude that the market for Cutler wasn't very hot.

Cutler's trade demands and possible off-field baggage really put Denver in a tough spot in terms of getting equal trade value. In hindsight, Cassel would have been very preferrable to Kyle Orton and a couple coin flip mid-first rounders.

[Papi34]

wow... and the pats only got a 2nd rounder. wow

[Swayze11]

A 1st this year and next is dirt cheap for Cutler. Stafford and Sanchez are not gaurentees to become great players. Look at Quinn, Lienart, and Young. Cutler is a proven starting NFL QB.

Thats why I dont get why the Jets couldnt come up with something similar. I am not a Jets fan... I am just saying, if I were the Jets I would do something similar or beat it.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Papi34

wow... and the pats only got a 2nd rounder. wow

Uhh they ahve the 23rd overall pick