[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[jaikorven]

^^^ Ridiculous notion to trade those players. Maybe Zary, but the others? Newly drafted, recently traded for and/or a new contract from the Flames.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by jaikorven

^^^ Ridiculous notion to trade those players. Maybe Zary, but the others? Newly drafted, recently traded for and/or a new contract from the Flames.

That’s his or her schtick. Throw out stupid suggestions because he’s a super fan who only cheers for 39 win seasons and miss the playoffs and draft 15.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the Flames were really committed to rebuilding and finishing bad enough to get the much needed elite talent they would not focus on the veterans but rather trade the following players for future picks.

Bahl - young dman like this who is under contract can probably get a very big return
Coronato - another young player on a very nice deal. Probably gets you a monster return
Wolf - trade him to the Hurricanes, suspect they part with many many picks for a goalie like him
Zary - should get the Flames a pretty good return.

Once you trade those 4 all the vets will ask to get out because the writing would be on the wall. Anybody who advocates burning it to the ground and picking a lane who is not pushing to move all 4 of those assets really has not truly picked the rebuilding lane.

I would not trade any of those players as part of my plan. Wolf is as untouchable as any goalie in the league.

You would have to overpay significantly to get any of the other 3.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That’s his or her schtick. Throw out stupid suggestions because he’s a super fan who only cheers for 39 win seasons and miss the playoffs and draft 15.

It’s as stale and boring as the people who say they are going to keep Andersson or trade him for a 3rd

[Harry Lime]

As soon as I heard that Byram was asking for 9/M over 8.

/thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the Flames were really committed to rebuilding and finishing bad enough to get the much needed elite talent they would not focus on the veterans but rather trade the following players for future picks.

Bahl - young dman like this who is under contract can probably get a very big return
Coronato - another young player on a very nice deal. Probably gets you a monster return
Wolf - trade him to the Hurricanes, suspect they part with many many picks for a goalie like him
Zary - should get the Flames a pretty good return.

Once you trade those 4 all the vets will ask to get out because the writing would be on the wall. Anybody who advocates burning it to the ground and picking a lane who is not pushing to move all 4 of those assets really has not truly picked the rebuilding lane.

My personal bigger issue is getting mid 20 guys in trades

Farabee , Frost , Sharagovich, Bahl instead of picks (or trading picks for them)

It’s not so much they didn’t burn to the ground , but they are getting mid 20 in guys that really won’t be a part / big part of this team when / if they become competitive (IMO)

I would rather have the 2nd and 3rd rounders vs Farabee and Frost , a pick in the deal instead of Shags . Bahl has looked very good and D are more late bloomers but I can’t really pick and choose so give me another pick there

That’s another 4 picks in rounds 2&3 to build you new young proper core . And you probably finish lower and get better players on the draft the next few years

I don’t think the Flames expected to be good last year , but they also aren’t running enough of a pick surplus as they should

A few extra late firsts and having your own pick 10-16 isn’t going to cut it

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That’s his or her schtick. Throw out stupid suggestions because he’s a super fan who only cheers for 39 win seasons and miss the playoffs and draft 15.

Stupid suggestions are the ones where it is suggested that the Flames should trade every single vet immediately. That somehow not trading Rasmus at the deadline last year was a “fumble”. Those are the stupid suggestions. The burn it to the ground crew suggests that there is no sense having Rasmus because he will be 35 by the time this team is competitive. If that timeline is accurate there is no sense having Coronato, he will be in the last year of his contract then and we will be marching him to UFA.

The suggestion to trade every talented 22-25 year old player (which was the ones I listed) is no more dumb than the suggestion to trade all vets.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

As soon as I heard that Byram was asking for 9/M over 8.

/thread

that might be what he's telling buffalo but he might bring that down once he's traded to a competent organization.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Stupid suggestions are the ones where it is suggested that the Flames should trade every single vet immediately. That somehow not trading Rasmus at the deadline last year was a “fumble”. Those are the stupid suggestions. The burn it to the ground crew suggests that there is no sense having Rasmus because he will be 35 by the time this team is competitive. If that timeline is accurate there is no sense having Coronato, he will be in the last year of his contract then and we will be marching him to UFA.

The suggestion to trade every talented 22-25 year old player (which was the ones I listed) is no more dumb than the suggestion to trade all vets.

No it’s a dumb suggestion very dumb full stop.

Rebuilding takes time. Coronato will be in his prime when this team competes.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A tear down guarantees nothing.

I agree it guarantees nothing. But the odds of a championship calibre team improve IMO.

Doing nothing and trying to squeeze into 8th playoff spot every year guarantees nothing with far greater probability than blowing it up. How do I know? Checks notes…… the last 20 yrs of following the Flames.

Just because Buffalo are idiots doesn’t mean we need to be. Moreover, I argue San Jose is actually very close to emerging here as one example, and secondly I think Conroy and the Flames drafting has been amongst the NHL’s best over the last couple years. Leverage and lean into that strength. Blow it up, trust our scouting, it’ll work. It won’t be a super long rebuild with this drafting / management team.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No it’s a dumb suggestion very dumb full stop.

Rebuilding takes time. Coronato will be in his prime when this team competes.

Trading every single veteran is just plain dumb, very very dumb, full stop. Conroy has traded 7 veterans and received picks and prospects for them. Somehow that is an effort in your mind to finish as bubble team. The teams that gas all their veterans almost always suck for a very long time. They then end up signing veterans like Klingberg or trading for vets like Trouba and Kreider just to find out they still suck and they have ruined multiple top 10 picks because of no veteran presence.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Stupid suggestions are the ones where it is suggested that the Flames should trade every single vet immediately. That somehow not trading Rasmus at the deadline last year was a “fumble”. Those are the stupid suggestions. The burn it to the ground crew suggests that there is no sense having Rasmus because he will be 35 by the time this team is competitive. If that timeline is accurate there is no sense having Coronato, he will be in the last year of his contract then and we will be marching him to UFA.

The suggestion to trade every talented 22-25 year old player (which was the ones I listed) is no more dumb than the suggestion to trade all vets.

There is absolutely zero reason to keep Coleman or Kadri on the team. By the time we are competing they will be retired.

They are worth a good haul now. Soon, they will be worth significantly less.

Also, they are actively hurting the team being on it. They are good players and are going to hurt our draft position.

I like both players, alot. But they need to be traded. If Anderrson wants 8 million then he can go too.

[Niemo]

There are no guarantees in life. The one thing we can "control" is to make decisions that increase the probability of a favorable outcome. Doing the same thing over and over again and trying to squeeze in every year keeps our probability at a low level. Full rebuild increases our odds eventually.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I agree it guarantees nothing. But the odds of a championship calibre team improve IMO.

Doing nothing and trying to squeeze into 8th playoff spot every year guarantees nothing with far greater probability than blowing it up. How do I know? Checks notes…… the last 20 yrs of following the Flames.

Just because Buffalo are idiots doesn’t mean we need to be. Moreover, I argue San Jose is actually very close to emerging here as one example, and secondly I think Conroy and the Flames drafting has been amongst the NHL’s best over the last couple years. Leverage and lean into that strength. Blow it up, trust our scouting, it’ll work. It won’t be a super long rebuild with this drafting / management team.

How have they been “doing nothing”?

[Rhett44]

And also I will add that yes, Buffalo is completely garbage at rebuilding. I don't want this team to be Buffalo. I want them to be a successful rebuilding franchise.

There are so examples of teams that tanked and it worked. Just because the Sabres are so awful at it doesn't mean anything.

Also, it is funny that so many good Sabres players who left went on to win with another team. If everyone stayed they could have been a good team.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A tear down guarantees nothing.

I've never seen anyone claim that it does.

32 teams in the league. In a given 10-year span, five or six win the Cup. If that's the goal, whatever strategy the Flames take will likely fail.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Niemo

There are no guarantees in life. The one thing we can "control" is to make decisions that increase the probability of a favorable outcome. Doing the same thing over and over again and trying to squeeze in every year keeps our probability at a low level. Full rebuild increases our odds eventually.

Same question. How are they “doing the same thing over and over again”?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

And also I will add that yes, Buffalo is completely garbage at rebuilding. I don't want this team to be Buffalo. I want them to be a successful rebuilding franchise.

There are so examples of teams that tanked and it worked. Just because the Sabres are so awful at it doesn't mean anything.

Also, it is funny that so many good Sabres players who left went on to win with another team. If everyone stayed they could have been a good team.

The Sabres are far from the only example

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I've never seen anyone claim that it does.

32 teams in the league. In a given 10-year span, five or six win the Cup. If that's the goal, whatever strategy the Flames take will likely fail.

We agree there
Again I was reacting to the notion that the Flames owners need only tolerate two years of being out of the playoffs

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How have they been “doing nothing”?

No no I don’t mean they have been doing nothing to this point. I mean doing nothing re: the question of Coleman / Andersson and arguably Kadri if there are takers for him.

Basically I mean doing nothing going forward. I agree they’ve handled things well to this point actually I just want them to keep monetizing assets rather than try and push for playoffs this year, that’s all.