Parekh named OHL defenseman of the month.....again.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

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Guys. He said one of the best. Not the best.

He did say 34 years? 1984 was 41 years ago?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Beninho

You don’t get lucky, you draft and then you develop. A good franchise knows how to do both. Dallas did not get lucky, they made their luck.

What model should the Flames be looking at? Edmonton? Jesus

Dallas won a draft lottery to get 3rd overall and pick Heiskanen in a year they finished 8th lowest. Literally luck.

They made a great pick to get Harley at 18th overall - Which is the position the Flames relatively are in this year (if they had their pick)

They also drafted future stars like Dellandrea at 13th, Tufte at 25, Gurianov at 12 during the years they were hitting on their 2nd rounders like Hintz.

So it's not like they have magic drafting - Whether you call it "luck" or not, players in the 2nd round fall there for a reason. There is "Some' luck involved - Or Dallas would be hitting on their 1st rounder these years as well

I will say since 2017 Dallas seems to have one of the best overall drafting in the league but they have still missed on a 13th overall pick, and the last 3 years are TBD

In fact - The years before they "bottomed out" at 8th overall (but won the lottery) these were their pick position in the first round

8th (3rd) , 25th, 12th, 14th, 10th, 13th, 14th, 11th, 8th

Dallas actually was almost the definition of mid/bad mid until they got a top 3 pick and non of those mid 1st round picks turned out to be anything

That going back a while and I'm sure Dallas has completely changes their scouting since then, but it's just as easy to get stuck in the pre 2017 Dallas model then replicate the post 2017 success of drafting mid 1st round and missing on players since the odds of finding a star drops dramatically as you exit the first few picks

[BrennyBaller]

Looking at the top 10 NHL Scorers - 4 were drafted late 1st or beyond:
Kucherov 2nd Round
Kyle Connor - 17th OA
David Pastrnak - 25th OA
Jesper Bratt - 6th Round

We just need to keep drafting skilled players and hope 1 can turn into one of these types. It's not a perfect formula, but saying you can only get elite talent top 5 is just not correct.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Just curious if you also analysed the 1984 draft model-wise and based on draft slot as the actual tweet was about, or just felt like dropping your "ya but" here...

Mostly, I just like to reminisce about when the Flames dominated the draft with years like 1984. Any talk about the Flames top draft years needs to include this year. I bet many posters don't remember this time, but it was awesome. They also found several college free agents like Joel Otto, Gino Cavallini, Eddie Beers, and Neil Sheehy. Every draft was a gold mine, and trader Cliff made some great deals as well.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Mostly, I just like to reminisce about when the Flames dominated the draft with years like 1984. Any talk about the Flames top draft years needs to include this year. I bet many posters don't remember this time, but it was awesome. They also found several college free agents like Joel Otto, Gino Cavallini, Eddie Beers, and Neil Sheehy. Every draft was a gold mine, and trader Cliff made some great deals as well.

Those were some weird times. As much as the oilers kicked arse we somehow created some gems. Must have been the wild west of scouting back then. Never gretzkys or kurri's or coffey's but some decent stuff. Brett Hull was an afterthought until he wasn't. Was it that we just paid scouts or something?

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Lol at people who were calling Gridin a dud/bust because he wasn't dominating the Q enough, or whatever.

Gridin has been lights out in the 2nd half of the season.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Dallas won a draft lottery to get 3rd overall and pick Heiskanen in a year they finished 8th lowest. Literally luck.

They made a great pick to get Harley at 18th overall - Which is the position the Flames relatively are in this year (if they had their pick)

They also drafted future stars like Dellandrea at 13th, Tufte at 25, Gurianov at 12 during the years they were hitting on their 2nd rounders like Hintz.

So it's not like they have magic drafting - Whether you call it "luck" or not, players in the 2nd round fall there for a reason. There is "Some' luck involved - Or Dallas would be hitting on their 1st rounder these years as well

I will say since 2017 Dallas seems to have one of the best overall drafting in the league but they have still missed on a 13th overall pick, and the last 3 years are TBD

In fact - The years before they "bottomed out" at 8th overall (but won the lottery) these were their pick position in the first round

8th (3rd) , 25th, 12th, 14th, 10th, 13th, 14th, 11th, 8th

Dallas actually was almost the definition of mid/bad mid until they got a top 3 pick and non of those mid 1st round picks turned out to be anything

That going back a while and I'm sure Dallas has completely changes their scouting since then, but it's just as easy to get stuck in the pre 2017 Dallas model then replicate the post 2017 success of drafting mid 1st round and missing on players since the odds of finding a star drops dramatically as you exit the first few picks

Actually, the Devils pick, which transfers to us, is currently 18th overall.

And the most recent mock draft I saw has us taking Kashawn Aitcheson, D.

Harley in his draft year had 58 points in 68 games with Mississauga, while this year Aitcheson has 59 points in 64 games with Barrie.

So there we go. Problem solved!

(For the record, I know nothing about Aitcheson. At all. Other than the above.)

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Mostly, I just like to reminisce about when the Flames dominated the draft with years like 1984. Any talk about the Flames top draft years needs to include this year. I bet many posters don't remember this time, but it was awesome. They also found several college free agents like Joel Otto, Gino Cavallini, Eddie Beers, and Neil Sheehy. Every draft was a gold mine, and trader Cliff made some great deals as well.

Oh I remember it well as well.

I just decided to be dickish and point out that poo-pooing on the most recent draft and how highly it is rated to compare it to one of the best ever for any team does not need to take away the current projection of this draft.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Those were some weird times. As much as the oilers kicked arse we somehow created some gems. Must have been the wild west of scouting back then. Never gretzkys or kurri's or coffey's but some decent stuff. Brett Hull was an afterthought until he wasn't. Was it that we just paid scouts or something?

Flames definitely went where other folks didn't- US (in general), NCAA ranks, Europe etc. Flames were a big team back then but weren't afraid to draft small etc


Oilers-*spits* credit where some is due was basically the luck of getting 99 and a 3 year draft period (and that was mostly 79-80) where they nabbed a ridiculous haul


the Flames just kept cranking it out all decade. first 8 years in Calgary MacInnis, Vernon, Makarov (12th round), Hull (6th round), Nieuwendyk- 5 HOFers, then throw in Loob, Konroyd, Quinn, Bradley, Roberts, Ranheim,Suter (9th round), Fleury (8th round), Matteau and the college FAs Otto, Macoun, Patterson etc- it almost was too easy

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Oh I remember it well as well.

I just decided to be dickish and point out that poo-pooing on the most recent draft and how highly it is rated to compare it to one of the best ever for any team does not need to take away the current projection of this draft.

I'd love to have a debate in ten years that the 2024 draft was better than 1984.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

I'd love to have a debate in ten years that the 2024 draft was better than 1984.

Or better yet, in 10 years there is no debate as 2024 comes out as the clear winner. Would have been a fun 10 years.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Actually, the Devils pick, which transfers to us, is currently 18th overall.

And the most recent mock draft I saw has us taking Kashawn Aitcheson, D.

Harley in his draft year had 58 points in 68 games with Mississauga, while this year Aitcheson has 59 points in 64 games with Barrie.

So there we go. Problem solved!

(For the record, I know nothing about Aitcheson. At all. Other than the above.)

Problem solved unless the Devils win a round . Since that’s how the playoff team draft order works ….

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Problem solved unless the Devils win a round . Since that’s how the playoff team draft order works ….

It takes winning 2 rounds to change the pick

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Mostly, I just like to reminisce about when the Flames dominated the draft with years like 1984. Any talk about the Flames top draft years needs to include this year. I bet many posters don't remember this time, but it was awesome. They also found several college free agents like Joel Otto, Gino Cavallini, Eddie Beers, and Neil Sheehy. Every draft was a gold mine, and trader Cliff made some great deals as well.

90% of us weren't born....and you're on one of the oldest message boards on the internet, lol.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Problem solved unless the Devils win a round . Since that’s how the playoff team draft order works ….

Nope.

Teams that made the playoffs but did not win their division or play in the Conference Finals are placed in the draft order based on their regular season standings. Winning one round does nothing for draft position.

So, if the Devils won two rounds, then they are in picks 29-32, otherwise they are where they finish, as they ain't winning the division.

From the NHL website:

Entry Draft Order

The order of selection among the Member Clubs in each season shall be determined in the following manner:
A composite of all Member Clubs shall be prepared by placing:

First the Clubs which failed to qualify for the preceding playoffs in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest points total and followed by the Club having the next lowest points total, and so forth.

The Clubs which participated in the preceding playoffs (but had not been ranked first in their respective Divisions and had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.

The Clubs which had been ranked first in their Divisions during the next preceding season (but had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.

The Stanley Cup winner shall select last, thus, positioning all Clubs on the list.

TLDR:

1-16 Non-playoff teams (subject to lottery)
17-22: Playoff teams who did not win division or go to Conference Finals
23-28: Division Winners, in reverse points order
29 & 30: Conference Losers, in reverse points order
31: Stanley Cup Loser
32: Stanley Cup Winner

[Groot]

Zayne with a goal and a primary assists for Saginaw's only two goals tonight, game currently in OT.

[JurassicTunga12]

Parekh with the OT winner!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

TLDR:

A. 1-16 Non-playoff teams (subject to lottery)
B. 17-22: Playoff teams who did not win division or go to Conference Finals
C. 23-28: Division Winners, in reverse points order
D. 29 & 30: Conference Losers, in reverse points order
E. 31: Stanley Cup Loser
F. 32: Stanley Cup Winner

A small clarification, if I may. For convenience, I've lettered the groups in boldface.

There are only 4 divisions now, so division winners would be seeded no higher than 25th.

Of course, if a division winner goes on to the conference finals, it gets removed from group C and drafts 29-32, depending on the results of the last two rounds. If all four division winners make the conference finals, group C disappears and group B goes all the way from 17 to 28.

Leaving aside the lottery weirdness, it's nice and simple from a programmer's point of view:

Everybody starts in group A.
If you clinch a playoff spot, you drop to group B.
If you finish first in your division, you drop to group C.
If you win two rounds of playoffs, you drop to group D.
If you make the SCF, you drop to group E.
If you drink champagne out of a large silver bowl with a very tall base, you drop to group F, and have your name engraved on the base to remind the whole world of your bad manners. Shame on you.

Within each group, teams are sorted by reverse order of standings.

[Groot]

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