[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Reminder that 35% of mid to late round 1sts dont play 100 games let alone have 20 goal seasons

All the more reason to scratch and claw and get picks with better odds.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Reminder that 35% of mid to late round 1sts dont play 100 games let alone have 20 goal seasons

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I doubt Toffoli is seen as a missing ingredient for many contending or near contending teams, frankly. Those teams all have wingers who are better. Some of them, like Colorado, lack a good 2C. Some of them like Toronto need more help on D. But a slow winger who has a scoring touch? Just not a pressing need for most of them.

Disagree. NJ also disagrees. NJ, which was a 2nd round playoff team, and who just improved their offense.

[dino7c]

I don't think anyone on either side can say who won right now

Dont the Devil's need to win something to make it worthwhile? If they lose in the first round and he walks or they sign him to a bad deal how is that a win for them?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

So can Ruzicka, who also had a decent production 5 on 5 in a much smaller sample size. Yet I would be pretty ecstatic if we could trade Ruzicka and a 3rd for even a 60 pt player making $4.5M. We paid a 2nd and a 3rd for a ~40pt Jarnkrok at the deadline.

Also, when it come to an increased role, there are many players on the Flames that could potentially benefit from it. Starting from Mangiapane and Dube getting PP1 time, to prospects like Pelletier, Coronato, Ruzicka, and maybe even Phillips (if he's back). That's why I personally don't expect anything over 40pts from the shiny new toy. Furthermore, in this discussion we're sticking to points, while Toffoli definitely had a much greater effect at both generating chances and preventing chances against. That's why in my opinion NJ won the trade by a mile.

The only RW prospect is raw rookie Coronato, who may well be played at C after all is said and done here. There’s two more forwards to deal if they aren’t signing.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

All the more reason to scratch and claw and get picks with better odds.

Lol nobody is giving up a top 15...now you are being silly

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think anyone on either side can say who won right now

Dont the Devil's need to win something to make it worthwhile? If they lose in the first round and he walks or they sign him to a bad deal how is that a win for them?

Yeah yeah yeah, you can say this about any trade.

You don’t think it’s a good trade, just admit it. But you can’t can you? To you- it’s either a great trade, or a we can’t evaluate it.

Every trade in history is a “we don’t know”. And yet every trade in history gets reactions and discussion. So. Here we are.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Disagree. NJ also disagrees. NJ, which was a 2nd round playoff team, and who just improved their offense.

Yes, NJ is one team that was low on RWs in particular. Who were they bidding against?

EDIT: BTW, NJD was 4th in team scoring. They weren’t hurting there. They may want a D a lot more.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I doubt Toffoli is seen as a missing ingredient for many contending or near contending teams, frankly. Those teams all have wingers who are better. Some of them, like Colorado, lack a good 2C. Some of them like Toronto need more help on D. But a slow winger who has a scoring touch? Just not a pressing need for most of them.

Just to push back on that point, what was Tarasenko last season? Didn't get fetch a couple of prospects a 1st and a 4th, I could be wrong though.

He definitely had a better career than Toffoli, but he wasn't better last year.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol nobody is giving up a top 15...now you are being silly

Pretty obvious that isn’t what I mean or have been saying so kind of a dumb reply.

[Dr. Pepper]

One could argue that Toffifee had a career year that he will never repeat...?

[Jason14h]

The deal is a homerun for NJ. Where they are in their competitive cycle, and cap situation, this is a perfect fit on paper for them

This doesnt mean Calgary lost. We are in a completely different competitive cycle (if were being honest)

I am guessing 90% of people have never seen this player play other then against us (and probably dont remember him)

I have no clue if he'll turn into anything. But I'm happy we didnt trade Toffoli for a 28-30 year old with term to try and stay truely competitive

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by cannon7

The Stockholm Syndrome here is wild.

All this signals to me is Conroy hasn't chosen a path. He is firmly on the fence. Not a good sign.

I think it's pretty clear that he has chosen a path, you just don't want to see it.

[dino7c]

Hall and Hayes were basically given away for free today

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, NJ is one team that was low on RWs in particular. Who were they bidding against?

Oh I’m sure everything was done perfectly. My mistake. Night all.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Seems delusional, to be honest.

Delusional seems kind.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Pretty obvious that isn’t what I mean or have been saying so kind of a dumb reply.

Well I posted odds on picks 16-31 so your reply was dumb in the first place

You have no idea what they could have got...more? Maybe

They also could have got less (nothing)

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Delusional seems kind.

Well, at least I have an opinion, what is yours there clownshoes? Since we’re getting edgy and ####ty and all. Pepsi’s specialty.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well I posted odds on picks 6-31 so your reply was dumb in the first place

You have no idea what they could have got...more? Maybe

They also could have got less (nothing)

What is your opinion on the trade? Your opinions are actually usually pretty stupid to be honest.

[#-3]

Never really watched this guy play, but looks like he's been taking faceoffs (although without much success), so seemingly he has been playing center? Could we expect this his a sign they are prepared to ship either Backlund or Lindholm and dress this guy as #3?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

What is your opinion on the trade? Your opinions are actually usually pretty stupid to be honest.

Pretty sure I won $100 off you with a "stupid" opinion this season guy