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Old 06-22-2023, 11:27 AM   #681
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Kind of off topic but I thought. Boston may make a good trade partner but don’t have any 1st or 2nd round picks for the next 2 drafts and only have 15 players signed and only 4.9 million in cap space. Defence is ok but they only have 7 forwards from last season going forward
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Old 06-22-2023, 11:32 AM   #682
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Kind of off topic but I thought. Boston may make a good trade partner but don’t have any 1st or 2nd round picks for the next 2 drafts and only have 15 players signed and only 4.9 million in cap space. Defence is ok but they only have 7 forwards from last season going forward
The Bruins are in cap hell. They can’t bring in any players with significant salary unless they move Hall. And they have no picks or prospects.
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Old 06-22-2023, 11:34 AM   #683
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The Bruins are in cap hell. They can’t bring in any players with significant salary unless they move Hall. And they have no picks or prospects.
Yea I didn’t realize how bad the situation was. Flames may not currently have much cap space but the roster can be filled out at least, also can move some of the pending UFA group to free up space and add picks
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The Bruins are in cap hell. They can’t bring in any players with significant salary unless they move Hall. And they have no picks or prospects.
I’d take Hall as a cap dump if we’re moving all the UFAs - only 2 years left, $6M AAV, and he seems like he’d be a good fit to play with Huberdeau.
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Well this is fun...just trade them all.

Cap space and picks are an asset that doesn't mean you have to go full last place re-build and the team needs to do a better job of realizing that.

Backlund for Newhook (Colorado)

Hanifin for 13 + Rosen (Buffalo)

Lindholm (50% retained) for 23 + Lafreniere (New York)

Toffoli for 30 + Drury (Carolina)

Trade 4 of the UFAs. Get 4 young pieces that are NHL ready or close to it (Newhook, Lafreniere, Drury, Rosen) and end up with 4 1sts in the draft (13, 16, 23, 30)

Forwards: Huberdeau, Kadri, Coleman, Mangiapane, Dube, Newhook, Lafreniere, Drury, Coronato, Pelletier, Duehr, Ruzicka, Rosen
Dmen: Weegar, Anderson, Kylington, Tanev, Zadorov, Gilbert
Goalies: Markstrom, Wolf, Vladar

And 3 extra 1st round picks and $12M in extra cap space. Honestly I don't think the short term or long term outlook of that team is much worse.

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Old 06-22-2023, 12:26 PM   #686
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Well this is fun...just trade them all.

Cap space and picks are an asset that doesn't mean you have to go full last place re-build and the team needs to do a better job of realizing that.

Backlund for Newhook (Colorado)

Hanifin for 13 + Rosen (Buffalo)

Lindholm (50% retained) for 23 + Lafreniere (New York)

Toffoli for 30 + Drury (Carolina)

Trade 4 of the UFAs. Get 4 young pieces that are NHL ready or close to it (Newhook, Lafreniere, Drury, Rosen) and end up with 4 1sts in the draft (13, 16, 23, 30)

Forwards: Huberdeau, Kadri, Coleman, Mangiapane, Dube, Newhook, Lafreniere, Drury, Coronato, Pelletier, Duehr, Ruzicka, Rosen
Dmen: Weegar, Anderson, Kylington, Tanev, Zadorov, Gilbert
Goalies: Markstrom, Wolf, Vladar

And 3 1st round picks and $12M in extra cap space. Honestly I don't think the short term or long term outlook of that team is much worse.

Would be pretty amazing to pull that off. Drafting 13th, 16th, 23rd, and 30th would instantly shoot Calgary up into the upper echelon of prospect pools IMO. To come out of this draft with any two of Perreault, Moore, Wood, Sale, Yager, Danielson, Barlow or Simashev would be a monster draft on its own.

We’ll have to see. If teams know that Conroy has to trade these guys, it might make other GMs decide to make him wait till after the draft when he is more desperate.


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Would be pretty amazing to pull that off. Drafting 13th, 16th, 23rd, and 30th would instantly shoot Calgary up into the upper echelon of prospect pools IMO. To come out of this draft with any two of Perreault, Moore, Wood, Sale, Yager, Danielson, Barlow or Simashev would be a monster draft on its own.

We’ll have to see. If teams know that Conroy has to trade these guys, it might make other GMs decide to make him wait till after the draft when he is more desperate.


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At the same time, a lot of teams are going to be interested. GMs with better draft picks know they lose that trade chip advantage after the draft.
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At the same time, a lot of teams are going to be interested. GMs with better draft picks know they lose that trade chip advantage after the draft.

Good point. If the trades are going to happen, I would love for it to be before/during the draft… provided the return is good.

Can’t say I will feel as good about any trade for Lindholm and Hanifin if the first round pick returns are in the 25th to 32nd range instead of the 13th to 23rd range that most of us are assuming. In those cases, I would hope a high-end prospect is also included.


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The key is there are going to be Eastern teams looking to take the next step and you need to take advantage of that.

Carolina wants scoring. Rangers want a C.

Detroit, Ottawa, Buffalo all need C and dmen. Columbus wants a C. Pittsburgh needs dmen and also looking to win now.

Those 7 Eastern Conference teams all want to take the next step and you need to create a bidding war on your pieces.
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I had a dream that anaheim passed on fantilli for carlsson and Columbus traded us 3 for lindholm. If only it were real
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The key is there are going to be Eastern teams looking to take the next step and you need to take advantage of that.

Carolina wants scoring. Rangers want a C.

Detroit, Ottawa, Buffalo all need C and dmen. Columbus wants a C. Pittsburgh needs dmen and also looking to win now.

Those 7 Eastern Conference teams all want to take the next step and you need to create a bidding war on your pieces.
Do the Rangers want a C? They have Zibenijad, Trochek and Chytil in their top 3. Do they want to add another high priced vet to that group?

Also I am not sure about Buffalo with Thompson, Cozens and Middlestat up the middle
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Do the Rangers want a C? They have Zibenijad, Trochek and Chytil in their top 3. Do they want to add another high priced vet to that group?
Tough to know for sure but the fan base has talked about a C.

With Lindholm and Trocheck both could slide to RW too which is another area of need they didn't really fill with either Tarasenko or Kane last year.

And yeah I don't think Buffalo needs a C, meant to have them in the d-man grouping with Pittsburgh.

Point stands though around the Eastern conference being in an interesting scenario where everybody except for the Flyers and Canadiens seem to want to contend / take a step.

Looking to keep contending: Boston, Toronto, Tampa, Florida, New York, Carolina, New Jersey

Looking to get back to contending: Islanders, Penguins, Capitals

Looking to take the next step / get into the playoff picture: Ottawa, Detroit, Buffalo, Columbus

Rebuilding: Montreal, Philly

So a really interesting opportunity to really try to get a good return. It was similar at the deadline last year where the West was quiet but it was an arms race in the East. Florida making the finals as the 8 seed is just going to make the GMs even more empowered to just try to get in.

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Well this is fun...just trade them all.

Cap space and picks are an asset that doesn't mean you have to go full last place re-build and the team needs to do a better job of realizing that.

Backlund for Newhook (Colorado)

Hanifin for 13 + Rosen (Buffalo)

Lindholm (50% retained) for 23 + Lafreniere (New York)

Toffoli for 30 + Drury (Carolina)

Trade 4 of the UFAs. Get 4 young pieces that are NHL ready or close to it (Newhook, Lafreniere, Drury, Rosen) and end up with 4 1sts in the draft (13, 16, 23, 30)

Forwards: Huberdeau, Kadri, Coleman, Mangiapane, Dube, Newhook, Lafreniere, Drury, Coronato, Pelletier, Duehr, Ruzicka, Rosen
Dmen: Weegar, Anderson, Kylington, Tanev, Zadorov, Gilbert
Goalies: Markstrom, Wolf, Vladar

And 3 extra 1st round picks and $12M in extra cap space. Honestly I don't think the short term or long term outlook of that team is much worse.
I think you're probably heavy on the Calgary side for returns.

To CAR: Tyler Toffoli
To CGY: 30th Overall
Rationale: We paid more than this, but got 2.3 years of Toffoli, so subtract 1.3 years and the 30th seems fair value.

To COL Mikael Backlund
To CGY: 27th Overall
Rationale: I don't think Colorado wants to subtract someone like Newhook for someone as old as Backlund - plus they're looking to add in general. Mackinnon/Backlund/Newhook makes sense for them.

To BUF: 13th Overall + Rosen
To CGY: Noah Hanifin
Rationale: This seems like good value and it does sound like Buffalo is after a defenceman to finish their D build.

To NYR: Elias Lindholm (50% retained)
To CGY: Alexis Lafreniere
Rationale: Alexis Lafreniere is effectively what Lindholm was when we acquired him. He seems to not really be fitting in - but the Rangers did just change coaches. For perspective, Lindy had put up about 4 straight seasons of being a .5PPG player while Laf has put up 1 - but Laf is showing progress every year. I still don't think New York does this because Laf has so much potential. It would be short sighted for NYR to do this - but it's a big swing by the Flames, I would love this type of return.

Drafting 4 times in the first round and adding Laf is a dream scenario for me.
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I think you're probably heavy on the Calgary side for returns.

To CAR: Tyler Toffoli
To CGY: 30th Overall
Rationale: We paid more than this, but got 2.3 years of Toffoli, so subtract 1.3 years and the 30th seems fair value.

To COL Mikael Backlund
To CGY: 27th Overall
Rationale: I don't think Colorado wants to subtract someone like Newhook for someone as old as Backlund - plus they're looking to add in general. Mackinnon/Backlund/Newhook makes sense for them.

To BUF: 13th Overall + Rosen
To CGY: Noah Hanifin
Rationale: This seems like good value and it does sound like Buffalo is after a defenceman to finish their D build.

To NYR: Elias Lindholm (50% retained)
To CGY: Alexis Lafreniere
Rationale: Alexis Lafreniere is effectively what Lindholm was when we acquired him. He seems to not really be fitting in - but the Rangers did just change coaches. For perspective, Lindy had put up about 4 straight seasons of being a .5PPG player while Laf has put up 1 - but Laf is showing progress every year. I still don't think New York does this because Laf has so much potential. It would be short sighted for NYR to do this - but it's a big swing by the Flames, I would love this type of return.

Drafting 4 times in the first round and adding Laf is a dream scenario for me.
Scratch out that NYR trade, and sign him, and I'm all on board.
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Lindholm, 50% retained, for Lafreniere is a terrible deal. Lindholm 50% retained should get a good pick in this draft, plus other assets.

Toffoli for Lafreniere is more reasonable.
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I really dont get the Laf hype. I think he’s overrated.
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I really dont get the Laf hype. I think he’s overrated.
Other than one poster, I don't think there is much hype. He just happens to be a younger player that may be available.
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Other than one poster, I don't think there is much hype. He just happens to be a younger player that may be available.
Who isn’t producing as well as he should be. It’s not like the Rangers are a rebuilding team struggling for offense.

I’d rather target Schneider from the Rangers, Jarvis from the Canes, Savoie/13th OA from Buffalo, etc.
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Laf’s production is almost entirely even strength. With pp time and huberdeau, he’s a 60+ point player and has upside to go. He’s easily better than every prospect listed in your post forever flames, and it’s not particularly close.
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Other than one poster, I don't think there is much hype. He just happens to be a younger player that may be available.
Well, I mean SuperMatt18 and I just put forward him being the key piece in a return...so maybe that's two posters?

I don't quite understand the negativity around Lafreniere. 39 points in 81 games as a 21 year old is pretty solid production, and that was playing for a coach that has since been fired because things weren't working out.
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