[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[Voodooman]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Sutter doesn’t care about money.

Then why not quit when it’s so apparent you’ve lost the room? I call BS on that. He knew he wouldn’t be back, and waited for the team to pay…which is 100% his right.

But to say he doesn’t care about the money is laughable.

[Red_Baron]

The only 11 month period that has been worse for me as a flames fan is the lockout in 2004-2005 that put a damper in the momentum the flames had built and took away a year of Jarome Iginla's prime.



I feel that this will be the first step into a desert of irrelevance for the flames.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Red_Baron

I feel that this will be the first step into a desert of irrelevance for the flames.

I'm hoping this is the first of many steps out of irrelevance.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Red_Baron

I feel that this will be the first step into a desert of irrelevance for the flames.

This is my fear as well. And anyone who can't see the possibility of this is being wilfully blind to the fact that the organization had no choice but to side with its underperforming franchise forwards over its hall of fame coach due to contract sizes. It could be a long 8 years if the problem was the players rather than the coach.

That said, it would be silly not to see the glass-half-full possibility that this team could be a real contender under a different coach. It's a good team on paper and it's just as possible the problem in the room was the coaching rather than the Huby/Kadri. If that's the case and we see Huby's/Kadri's game take-off, markstrom return to form, Kylington back...and then add to that Wolf, coronato and Pelletier come in and outperform, there's no reason this couldn't be a top team in NHL next year.

We won't know until next season.

[gilligans_off]

I like Sutter as a human being. Guy gives it his all. But he lost my favour when he refused to assign a Captain. It continued to get worse with strange decisions and awkward comments. Wish him all the best but I’m glad we’re moving on.

[Rutuu]

Sigh. My greatest fear is back in play. Darryl Sutter goes to the Oilers after they bow out in hilarious fashion again this playoffs and he turns McDavid into a 200ft player.

Sutter would be unstoppable with their roster.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Sigh. My greatest fear is back in play. Darryl Sutter goes to the Oilers after they bow out in hilarious fashion again this playoffs and he turns McDavid into a 200ft player.

Sutter would be unstoppable with their roster.

Sutter is still getting paid by the Flames for the next 2 years and can't talk to another team without permission. I would think it is really unlikely that the Flames would grant permission to the Oilers of all teams, at least without getting significant compensation.

I doubt the Oilers would even be interested either.

[btimbit]

I love Sutter but it clearly wasn't working and letting the new GM pick his own coach is the right move

[PugnaciousIntern]

I imagine the coaching vacancy makes the GM search easier. In addition to retention of players

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This wasn't one or two players complaining or pouting. This was a LOT of people Maloney talked to (including some outside the organization) who made it known it was best to move on. Pretty obvious to Maloney a lot of people wanted him gone. Sutter has a very short shelf life, and here we are.

I have always been a huge Sutter fan since the early 2000s. But the more I reflect on the past few days, the more I say good riddance. I think when you have literally the entire organization complaining about him, this is more than a toxic environment. It is straight up dog #### and frankly makes me wonder if there was borderline verbal abuse going on. Can't recall the last time I have seen an organization in the NHL rally around a coach's firing since the days of of Iron Mike decades ago. I am willing to bet there is lot that is being hushed and not being said out loud because of how it would make the organization look. Just a hunch I have, that the reasons for Sutter being fired go far beyond player utilization and weird media comments. I hope I am wrong, but something rubs me the wrong way about how he goes about business and constantly gets away with it because "results". I think if the truth came to light, a lot of us would be disgusted

Furthermore I would love to be a fly on the wall and actually verbally hear how he speaks to players, staff, and those around him in the organization that feel he creates all this toxicity. It's great to hear that he is a good host at charity events, speaks well to youth athletic teams and is in general great with fans. But jerks like him hide in plain sight all the time. I had a former boss who was an abusive POS to those of us in our group, but boy oh boy was he great with clients and out in public. My neighbor is super nice to me when I chat with him, but I know for a fact he is a jackass to his family when he thinks I'm not obesrving. We all know people like that. I have always thought of Sutter to be cut from that same cloth.

Thanks for the memories. But I hope the organization gets the next hire right, whomever that might be. Flames have a good opportunity to wipe the slate clean in a lot of areas, and players who are clearly going to be motivated for next season. I'm a lot more optimistic for next season after recent events.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Did anyone listen to the Eric Francis show today? Anyone remember Eric saying this?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1653122320352043009

https://twitter.com/fierybreadman/st...AKirBMh53Sl6sw

Eric Francis said that he knows that the #Flames# were trying to sign a bunch of college free agents but they didn't want to come to Calgary because of Sutter and him not playing the younger players.

Yup, he did say that. I listened to the show last night. Him and Steinberg also echoed what posters on this forum who’ve given us inside information have said about Sutter being a part of the reason why both Johnny and Tkachuk wanted to go (He wasn’t the main reason obviously).

This is why I can’t get behind the posts calling Huby and Kadri “soft” and they “ran a HOF coach out of town because they couldn’t handle it”. It wasn’t even just those guys either in the locker room. It extended beyond the players to other parts of the org as well. You can’t keep a coach around who makes things that difficult. They had to let him go

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Sandman

It was posted earlier. Does anyone have a list of all the college free agents that have been signed so far?

Not definitive but:

COL- Sam Malinski, Ondrej Pavel, Jason Polin
CBJ - Hunter McKown
EDM - Carl Berglund
FLA - Ryan McAllister
NAS - Jake Livingstone
NYI - Aidan Fulp, Travis Mitchell
PHI - Will Zmolek
STL - Anton Malmstrom
VAN - Cole McWard, Akita Hirose, Max Sasson
WPG - Parker Ford

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I have always been a huge Sutter fan since the early 2000s. But the more I reflect on the past few days, the more I say good riddance. I think when you have literally the entire organization complaining about him, this is more than a toxic environment. It is straight up dog #### and frankly makes me wonder if there was borderline verbal abuse going on. Can't recall the last time I have seen an organization in the NHL rally around a coach's firing since the days of of Iron Mike decades ago. I am willing to bet there is lot that is being hushed and not being said out loud because of how it would make the organization look. Just a hunch I have, that the reasons for Sutter being fired go far beyond player utilization and weird media comments. I hope I am wrong, but something rubs me the wrong way about how he goes about business and constantly gets away with it because "results". I think if the truth came to light, a lot of us would be disgusted

Furthermore I would love to be a fly on the wall and actually verbally hear how he speaks to players, staff, and those around him in the organization that feel he creates all this toxicity. It's great to hear that he is a good host at charity events, speaks well to youth athletic teams and is in general great with fans. But jerks like him hide in plain sight all the time. I had a former boss who was an abusive POS to those of us in our group, but boy oh boy was he great with clients and out in public. My neighbor is super nice to me when I chat with him, but I know for a fact he is a jackass to his family when he thinks I'm not obesrving. We all know people like that. I have always thought of Sutter to be cut from that same cloth.

Thanks for the memories. But I hope the organization gets the next hire right, whomever that might be. Flames have a good opportunity to wipe the slate clean in a lot of areas, and players who are clearly going to be motivated for next season. I'm a lot more optimistic for next season after recent events.

I think you’re speculating a bit too much. If he was that bad he wouldn’t have as many supporters like Lucic, Toffoli, Lewis, Zadorov ect in the room.

[Huntingwhale]

Yup, my own tinfoil thoughts for sure. Just something that entered my mind and I debated with myself posting it.

Just seems crazy how it got to this point.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Yup, my own tinfoil thoughts for sure. Just something that entered my mind and I debated with myself posting it.

Just seems crazy how it got to this point.

I agree. This season was a massive surprise to me. Absolutely not what I expected to happen. Very disappointing to watch. Disappointing seasons bring accountability. That light usually gets shone on the top of the org chart. Comes with the territory.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

This is my fear as well. And anyone who can't see the possibility of this is being wilfully blind to the fact that the organization had no choice but to side with its underperforming franchise forwards over its hall of fame coach due to contract sizes. It could be a long 8 years if the problem was the players rather than the coach.

That said, it would be silly not to see the glass-half-full possibility that this team could be a real contender under a different coach. It's a good team on paper and it's just as possible the problem in the room was the coaching rather than the Huby/Kadri. If that's the case and we see Huby's/Kadri's game take-off, markstrom return to form, Kylington back...and then add to that Wolf, coronato and Pelletier come in and outperform, there's no reason this couldn't be a top team in NHL next year.

We won't know until next season.

That is all true.

But it’s a huge gamble if it doesn’t occur, as you end up seeing a large number of UFA’s leave at the end of the year, with a few older ones signing long term above market deals for non-prime years. As the Flames won’t be able to afford them all.

[devo22]

I have no doubt Huby is going to bounce back. Too good of a player not to.

Kadri, I'm less confident. We overpaid for a career year that was always going to be hard to replicate, and he came back to Earth and his usual 50-60 points season. It's what he is - a solid 2nd line forward, but not a 7x7 guy. Especially in his 30s.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by devo22

I have no doubt Huby is going to bounce back. Too good of a player not to.

Kadri, I'm less confident. We overpaid for a career year that was always going to be hard to replicate, and he came back to Earth and his usual 50-60 points season. It's what he is - a solid 2nd line forward, but not a 7x7 guy. Especially in his 30s.

I'd be perfectly fine with his offensive production from last year if he just bothered to play defense. Easily the worst defensive forward on the team last year, something that he was relatively known for too. That was the most baffling thing to me, far more than Huberdeau's offensive production drop. I figured Kadri would do well in a Sutter system on the defensive end, but it was abysmal.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I'd be perfectly fine with his offensive production from last year if he just bothered to play defense. Easily the worst defensive forward on the team last year, something that he was relatively known for too. That was the most baffling thing to me, far more than Huberdeau's offensive production drop. I figured Kadri would do well in a Sutter system on the defensive end, but it was abysmal.

no doubt. He looked lazy and not interested for large stretches, which was both surprising and disappointing to me.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Sutter doesn’t care about money.

But he likes his ranch