08-24-2022, 10:27 AM
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#681
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by Nelson
The with or without you tool on Natural Stat Trick says that Milano and Zegras were better together. Both were weaker apart from the other.
Milano without Zegras: 336:43, 49.5 CF%, 49.1 xGF%
Zegras without Milano: 565:31, 49.0 CF%, 48.4 xGF%
Zegras and Milano: 500:43, 53.7 CF%, 55.0 xGF%
Kessel had 52 points, and I’m betting on regression to the mean as far as shooting percentage goes. Career SH%: 10.8. Last year SH%: 4.6.
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That’s the problem with strictly looking at stats
Bottom line, zegras is a good player. Milano is not.
I wouldn’t spend anything more than minimum salary look and see on Milano
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08-24-2022, 10:29 AM
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#682
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Milano has Oilers written all over him. He'll be the next Perlini or Rattie.
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08-24-2022, 11:51 AM
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#683
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
That’s the problem with strictly looking at stats
Bottom line, zegras is a good player. Milano is not.
I wouldn’t spend anything more than minimum salary look and see on Milano
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Would you mind sharing what your opinion is based on?
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08-24-2022, 11:55 AM
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#684
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
Bottom line, zegras is a good player. Milano is not.
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Based on... what exactly?
Maybe stats aren't everything, but I think someone who is "not a good player"
wouldn't post microstats like these:
If anything, the microstats should reflect him not being a good player. But he seems to be one of the best passers in the league.
Is he likely a flawed player?
Yeah. Most are.
But not good?
Far-fetched take.
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Last edited by GranteedEV; 08-24-2022 at 11:59 AM.
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08-24-2022, 11:58 AM
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#685
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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The Flames still definitely need another forward for the upcoming season.
Dube + Lucic + Valimaki
for
Eberle
Huberdeau-Lindholm-Toffoli
Mangiapane-Kadri-Eberle
Pelletier-Backlund-Coleman
Ruzicka-Rooney-Lewis
Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Tanev
Weeger-Zadorov
Markstrom
Vladar
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08-24-2022, 12:09 PM
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#686
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First Line Centre
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Why is everyone so opposed to Dube being in the top six? The kid scored 18 goals last year while playing under thirteen minutes a night and it's not as if he was shooting at some unsustainable rate.
You look at teams like Edmonton who have Yamamoto and Puljujarvi in a top six capacity or hell even Colorado now with Lehkonen and Newhook.
I don't see any reason why Dube couldn't/wouldn't produce 20+ goals, and 50ish points next season.
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08-24-2022, 12:12 PM
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#687
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: 0° latitude, 0° longitude
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
Why is everyone so opposed to Dube being in the top six? The kid scored 18 goals last year while playing under thirteen minutes a night and it's not as if he was shooting at some unsustainable rate.
You look at teams like Edmonton who have Yamamoto and Puljujarvi in a top six capacity or hell even Colorado now with Lehkonen and Newhook.
I don't see any reason why Dube couldn't/wouldn't produce 20+ goals, and 50ish points next season.
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cause shiny new toy / grass is greener syndrome
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08-24-2022, 12:29 PM
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#688
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
Why is everyone so opposed to Dube being in the top six? The kid scored 18 goals last year while playing under thirteen minutes a night and it's not as if he was shooting at some unsustainable rate.
You look at teams like Edmonton who have Yamamoto and Puljujarvi in a top six capacity or hell even Colorado now with Lehkonen and Newhook.
I don't see any reason why Dube couldn't/wouldn't produce 20+ goals, and 50ish points next season.
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I still think there is more to Dube's game and he really started to figure it out in the second half under Sutter IMO.
Dube and Jordan Kyrou had pretty much identical career progression from Junior to AHL to NHL up until this past season.
Hopefully Dube can take that step this season just like Kyrou did last season.
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08-24-2022, 12:35 PM
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#689
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan87
The Flames still definitely need another forward for the upcoming season.
Dube + Lucic + Valimaki
for
Eberle
Huberdeau-Lindholm-Toffoli
Mangiapane-Kadri-Eberle
Pelletier-Backlund-Coleman
Ruzicka-Rooney-Lewis
Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Tanev
Weeger-Zadorov
Markstrom
Vladar
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I get that moving Lucic and his cap is a net positive, but I think the line up may actually be worse. Still need rookies in the lineup and still question marks in the top 6.
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08-24-2022, 12:37 PM
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#690
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
Why is everyone so opposed to Dube being in the top six? The kid scored 18 goals last year while playing under thirteen minutes a night and it's not as if he was shooting at some unsustainable rate.
You look at teams like Edmonton who have Yamamoto and Puljujarvi in a top six capacity or hell even Colorado now with Lehkonen and Newhook.
I don't see any reason why Dube couldn't/wouldn't produce 20+ goals, and 50ish points next season.
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That’s a good point. I still want another winger who can bring some scoring though, and it sounds like the Flames want one too. I understand that most ppl would say if you’ve got Dube and Pelletier, where’s the other spot?
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08-24-2022, 12:39 PM
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#691
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
Why is everyone so opposed to Dube being in the top six? The kid scored 18 goals last year while playing under thirteen minutes a night and it's not as if he was shooting at some unsustainable rate.
You look at teams like Edmonton who have Yamamoto and Puljujarvi in a top six capacity or hell even Colorado now with Lehkonen and Newhook.
I don't see any reason why Dube couldn't/wouldn't produce 20+ goals, and 50ish points next season.
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Dube, Ruzicka, Pelletier, etc.. should all be competing for ice time. Having 3-4 talented young players all hungry and looking to get that top 6 ice time is not a negative. Don't give any of them a top 6 spot, but keep them all in the mix.
Having 2-3 of these establish themselves as mid-6 players, who put up 40-60 points, on low cap contracts is how you build a championship team.
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08-24-2022, 12:47 PM
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#692
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Based on... what exactly?
Maybe stats aren't everything, but I think someone who is "not a good player"
wouldn't post microstats like these:
If anything, the microstats should reflect him not being a good player. But he seems to be one of the best passers in the league.
Is he likely a flawed player?
Yeah. Most are.
But not good?
Far-fetched take. |
I don’t know man…. I just watch them sometimes
Also Milano has been waived a few times and nobody is eager to take him
Lmfao @ the people comparing Zegras and Milano
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08-24-2022, 01:03 PM
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#693
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
I don’t know man…. I just watch them sometimes
Also Milano has been waived a few times and nobody is eager to take him
Lmfao @ the people comparing Zegras and Milano
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If you’re referring to me, I was not comparing Zegras to Milano. The line tool isn’t meant to tell you which player is better. It can’t do that. It simply tells you what each player’s results were with and without the other player. https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php
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08-24-2022, 01:09 PM
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#694
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
I don’t know man…. I just watch them sometimes
Also Milano has been waived a few times and nobody is eager to take him
Lmfao @ the people comparing Zegras and Milano
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Literally no one is doing that. LMFAO @ the people saying Milano isn't a good player.
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08-24-2022, 01:20 PM
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#695
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan87
The Flames still definitely need another forward for the upcoming season.
Dube + Lucic + Valimaki
for
Eberle
Huberdeau-Lindholm-Toffoli
Mangiapane-Kadri-Eberle
Pelletier-Backlund-Coleman
Ruzicka-Rooney-Lewis
Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Tanev
Weeger-Zadorov
Markstrom
Vladar
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You say we need another forward but you're proposing trading 2 out to bring 1 in. This really thins out the bottom of the lineup, along with making them much softer. Who's the 13th forward? Phillips?
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08-24-2022, 01:26 PM
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#696
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan87
The Flames still definitely need another forward for the upcoming season.
Dube + Lucic + Valimaki
for
Eberle
Huberdeau-Lindholm-Toffoli
Mangiapane-Kadri-Eberle
Pelletier-Backlund-Coleman
Ruzicka-Rooney-Lewis
Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Tanev
Weeger-Zadorov
Markstrom
Vladar
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Flames need another forward… proposes trading two useful forwards for one.
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08-24-2022, 01:27 PM
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#697
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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One that costs too much as well.
Lucic's (& Monahan's) money will go towards Huberdeau/Weegar/Kadri
Flames can't bring back $5M over this year and next
They can bring someone in this year around $2M
Last edited by Toonage; 08-24-2022 at 01:33 PM.
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08-24-2022, 01:40 PM
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#698
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VilleN
Literally no one is doing that. LMFAO @ the people saying Milano isn't a good player.
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I guess you can LMFAO @ the entire NHL
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08-24-2022, 01:48 PM
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#699
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Toonage
One that costs too much as well.
Lucic's (& Monahan's) money will go towards Huberdeau/Weegar/Kadri
Flames can't bring back $5M over this year and next
They can bring someone in this year around $2M
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A Valimaki trade for another fringe player or waived and a Kessel/Rodrigues/Milano signing for 1-year seems like the most likely scenario
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08-24-2022, 01:49 PM
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#700
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mile
A Valimaki trade for another fringe player or waived and a Kessel/Rodrigues/Milano signing for 1-year seems like the most likely scenario
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Exactly.
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