I think CBJ will see if Laine is available at 3. If not, they trade down.
Likely what's holding the Flames up on a goalie.
Definitely agree with this. My assumption is Treliving has a ton of balls in the air right now and needs to see where the Jackets ball drops before he can make his first move.
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Many convinced #CBJ trading the No. 3 overall pick. It's all over the place across the league. Could Jarmo know something about the Finns?
looks to me like BT has the deal worked out and it will be a long couple minutes with columbus on the clock. if it happens i will never have been so happy to see bettman approach the podium.
looks to me like BT has the deal worked out and it will be a long couple minutes with columbus on the clock. if it happens i will never have been so happy to see bettman approach the podium.
There are going to be a lot of unhappy people if it doesn't happen...
Aaron Portzline @Aportzline
Many convinced #CBJ trading the No. 3 overall pick. It's all over the place across the league. Could Jarmo know something about the Finns?
Comments like this make me laugh.
Do the US GMs have inside info on the US players? Do the Canadian GMs have inside info on the Canadian players?
Suggesting 'Jarmo' knows something that no one else knows, simply because he's Finnish, is absolutely laughable.
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Yeah, it's dumb. Somehow he knows something no other teams can find out, with their giant staffs, about highly scouted and scrutinized players, cuz he's Finnish and we're not.
Yeah, it's dumb. Somehow he knows something no other teams can find out, with their giant staffs, about highly scouted and scrutinized players, cuz he's Finnish and we're not.
He likely has much closer friendly ties to those who know him best. It's not ludicrous
Do the US GMs have inside info on the US players? Do the Canadian GMs have inside info on the Canadian players?
Suggesting 'Jarmo' knows something that no one else knows, simply because he's Finnish, is absolutely laughable.
I don't know if that was the intent of the tweet. I think the speculation would of been the same for any GM who is apparently trying very hard to move down the draft and it is only a fluke their are 2 fins and the GM is a fin.
I still think it is a dumb tweet as there are so many other reason one would want to move down (trading away salary).
Yeah, it's dumb. Somehow he knows something no other teams can find out, with their giant staffs, about highly scouted and scrutinized players, cuz he's Finnish and we're not.
Maybe he just hates Finnish people and that's why he left Finland?
He likely has much closer friendly ties to those who know him best. It's not ludicrous
No one else in Finland knows these things? Laughable. This is a HUGE business. If there were anything about him that is a concern, it would be known by more than just him.
It is quite ludicrous.
All this is is one GM not being a big fan. Guys have different opinions of every player. Ever.
Making it a big 'he's Finnish, he must know something' conspiracy is a joke.
You mean I've finally said something that aligns with your worldview.
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Most of the BPA available group don't just assume you're going to trade the guy you pick though.
No, they don't. But they do use that as an excuse to draft the player "they" perceive to be BPA. See, this is where there is a disconnect. I have no problem the team picking who they think the BPA is, because I believe they have done their due dilegence and have a really good understanding of the players. Where I get annoyed is people going off some bull#### list the media has created and thinking that constitutes the BPA. I "know" that there is no consensus, but others find that concept hard to understand. There is a vocal group that honestly believes that teams will be drafting off a list similar to that McKenzie, or a similar source, puts together. That could not be further from the truth. Each team will have their own list and draft from that. That is where BPA will come in.
Having said that you have to appreciate that each team will be drafting off their list, which will be developed with their particular philosophy and needs factoring in. A great example of this was the Flyers a few years ago when they went inside their draft and they had six defensemen in their top eight. Unfortunately I can't find the video of that session, but I did find another. This video should be a real eye opener for some.
There are evaluating their list and they are arguing over a defenseman (Morin) and where he fits in the overall scheme of things. They identify Monahan by number at 13. They had Morin at 6, Mueller at 7, Zadorov at 8, Nurse at 9, and Ristolainen at 10, all ahead of Monahan! The discussion in the room clearly indicates this group places a huge emphasis on defensemen. How does that list fly in the face of the consensus BPA?
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Prospects come on, some fail, guys get hurt, guys retire, GMs ask about existing players. Impossible to know what the team will look like in 2, 3 or 5 years.
No doubt. No disagreement there. But you still need to address need when you have opportunity. Given two players with similar upside I believe you draft the player with the best potential to make it on your team, not someone else's. Drafting a defenseman that is on the same footing as a forward makes sense, if you are thin in your system for defensemen. Drafting one that is going on to behind several other players with similar skill sets doesn't make sense, not when you have a desperate need in the system for a player that is available and projects high as well. That is what the the team list will vary from the supposed consensus list.
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Best way to protect against that is to just draft the best asset and let the chips fall where they may.
We agree, but it depends on what you are considering is the best asset is. As the video above showed, evaluating the best asset is extremely subjective and open to interpretation. We can only go off of what management has to say and what type of player they prefer to make that educated guess. Hence, size, character and physicality being a requisite.
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The Flames didn't have a center four years ago. Cammalleri was taking draws on the top line. They tried Backlund before he was ready. Then in 13 months the Flames had Monahan and Bennett down the middle. You just don't know.
You're right. Four years ago the Flames were horrible at center. Very few prospects at all. So what did they do? They drafted Jankowski, Monahan and Bennett in three consecutive drafts with their top picks. Coincidence? I don't think so. I fully expect the Flames address their needs of a top forward this and the next couple of drafts. I wish we had access to the Flames draft list because I have a feeling it would be weighted like the Flyers list, except with a bias toward forwards rather than defense.
Now that I have put that out there in 48 hours I fully expect us to be talking about what a great selection Chychrun was, the defenseman I have rated last of the top three blue liners.
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He likely has much closer friendly ties to those who know him best. It's not ludicrous
What kind of information do you think he would have that isn't known by everyone?
I think it's interesting if a GM with a great draft record like Kekäläinen isn't as high on Puljujärvi as others seem to be, but I'm not sure there's more to this than Columbus hoping for some team anxious to make a splash to overpay.
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looks to me like BT has the deal worked out and it will be a long couple minutes with columbus on the clock. if it happens i will never have been so happy to see bettman approach the podium.
They have received lots of trade offers according to reports. I wouldn't be sure BT has anything worked out.
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Garrioch: Flames aggressively trying to move into top 3 or 4 of draft
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Aaron Portzline @Aportzline
#CBJ GM Jarmo Kekalainen says he's had "about 10" offers total for No. 3 pick, including several today. "Very good offers."
Over under on how many of the ten are from BT?
I'm going to say 8.
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Realistically, there are about 3 or 4 solid offers BT could put together for #3 without hurting Flames long term and without sacrificing the key players.
But I'm not sure the Flames can put together the best package for #3.
