American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Americans have shown quite a penchant for gaslighting themselves over the last year leading into this situation.

When will they take the threat on democracy that this administration poses seriously?

How many nonchalant claims of "that won't happen" in response to things he suggested at one point or another for Trump and his cronies to go and do exactly what Americans denied or dismissed?

Might want to triple check that you'll be participating in an election, and a fairly conducted one at that. While none of the past three elections were rigged (otherwise Trump wouldn't have won two terms), usually the one who speaks most loudly and frequently about election fraud is the one most likely to participate in it. Keep in mind that in his world, fraud and rigging is normalized.

And Trump suggested on multiple occasions the idea that he could go beyond 8 years (not that I think he'll survive that long, but the point remains with his cronies installed in various high ranking positions).

It's been obvious from day one that the goal is a systemic change to benefit a specific group with deranged views.

But keep brushing it off and excusing it while the ground erodes under your feet.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Wilson is right. Rubio, Graham etc are ####ing morons.

Putin has a green light to do whatever he wants in Europe.

The only saving grace might be that Russia may be incapable of doing whatever it wants.

The EU along with GB just need to get their act together. The GDP of the EU and GB is 23 times that of Russia. The EU could absolutely take Russia on without the US.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yup. We are Ukraine without Europe.

I don't think so. If the EU needs to become the worlds police in the future, having a foot hold in North America would be vital for that effort. Especially one that has abundant natural resources. We have more cards than many realize I think.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by Slava

I think Canadians should be very concerned about that exchange yesterday. It’s not hard to see our PM sitting there, being dressed down by Trump and Vance with the same rhetoric and facing our own existential crisis. Would anyone really be that surprised at this point, if whoever our Prime Minister ends up being faces this same line of attack and same idea of a US claim on our sovereignty and resources in exchange for defence?

The PM should refuse any similar invitations to the White House.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If Trump does that to our PM as an esteemed guest, we'll set the WH on fire (again).

[WideReceiver]

Unfortunately, many stupid Canadians will praise Trump for giving Trudeau (it it’s him) what he deserves.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

If Trump does that to our PM as an esteemed guest, we'll set the WH on fire (again).

It's when, not if.
When our next PM visits the Whitehouse, it will 100% be a show of: say thank you, you owe us for keeping you safe, Canada would be so weak without us, 51st state, governor of Canada....

[CliffFletcher]

From what I’ve read, it would be extremely difficult for Canada to join the EU. One of the criteria is the country has to be European. Since Canada isn’t geographically in Europe, it would have to make an argument that Canada is culturally European - which would obviously open a whole can of worms. And even if all the barriers were overcome, you’re looking at a 10+ year process.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

The EU along with GB just need to get their act together. The GDP of the EU and GB is 23 times that of Russia. The EU could absolutely take Russia on without the US.

Agreed. Honestly, if anything, the US taking a clear reversal stance gives the EU the green light not to base their reaction on what the US wants to do. Poland, Germany, France, GB, Finland, Sweden all have substantial and effective armies.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

The PM should refuse any similar invitations to the White House.

I wish all world leaders would stop giving him the oxygen. Just ignore him.

[dammage79]

Question about the F-35 contract. Is there any way there's a breach of contract with these American hostilities? Because I sure as hell don't want those fthings if we aren't working with the Americans. Like are we to trust we would be getting a functioning product given who is in charge right now? I feel like they just robbed Canadian taxpayers some billions of dollars just on the F35 deal alone.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Question about the F-35 contract. Is there any way there's a breach of contract with these American hostilities? Because I sure as hell don't want those fthings if we aren't working with the Americans. Like are we to trust we would be getting a functioning product given who is in charge right now? I feel like they just robbed Canadian taxpayers some billions of dollars just on the F35 deal alone.

Those are very complex machines. Is there enough trust that we know there isn't a kill switch in there, somewhere? Americans knocking their own product out of the air with a push of the button.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

From what I’ve read, it would be extremely difficult for Canada to join the EU. One of the criteria is the country has to be European. Since Canada isn’t geographically in Europe, it would have to make an argument that Canada is culturally European - which would obviously open a whole can of worms. And even if all the barriers were overcome, you’re looking at a 10+ year process.

Ultimately, it would just be the serious attempt and symbolism of an effort to join the EU that I would be after. I don't really think it could or should happen. But it would be a message to the US that the Western World is aligning against them (and also just moving on) in a serious way. There are a lot of mutual benefits available if closer ties develop between the EU and Canada, and we need to push them as far and as fast as possible.

I do think that the Trump administration would view it seriously as a threat, as would Russia.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

From what I’ve read, it would be extremely difficult for Canada to join the EU. One of the criteria is the country has to be European. Since Canada isn’t geographically in Europe, it would have to make an argument that Canada is culturally European - which would obviously open a whole can of worms. And even if all the barriers were overcome, you’re looking at a 10+ year process.

Might not count but Canada shares a territorial border with Denmark, Hans Island between Canada and Greenland.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Americans have shown quite a penchant for gaslighting themselves over the last year leading into this situation.

When will they take the threat on democracy that this administration poses seriously?

How many nonchalant claims of "that won't happen" in response to things he suggested at one point or another for Trump and his cronies to go and do exactly what Americans denied or dismissed?

Might want to triple check that you'll be participating in an election, and a fairly conducted one at that. While none of the past three elections were rigged (otherwise Trump wouldn't have won two terms), usually the one who speaks most loudly and frequently about election fraud is the one most likely to participate in it. Keep in mind that in his world, fraud and rigging is normalized.

And Trump suggested on multiple occasions the idea that he could go beyond 8 years (not that I think he'll survive that long, but the point remains with his cronies installed in various high ranking positions).

It's been obvious from day one that the goal is a systemic change to benefit a specific group with deranged views.

But keep brushing it off and excusing it while the ground erodes under your feet.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Drak

Might not count but Canada shares a territorial border with Denmark, Hans Island between Canada and Greenland.

Also France (St. Pierre et Miquelon).

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

From what I’ve read, it would be extremely difficult for Canada to join the EU. One of the criteria is the country has to be European. Since Canada isn’t geographically in Europe, it would have to make an argument that Canada is culturally European - which would obviously open a whole can of worms. And even if all the barriers were overcome, you’re looking at a 10+ year process.

You are right - the accession process is laborious and there is no fast track. It may not even come to that because all member states must agree on the accession decision.

Putin’s buddy in Hungary would never let it happen.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Question about the F-35 contract. Is there any way there's a breach of contract with these American hostilities? Because I sure as hell don't want those fthings if we aren't working with the Americans. Like are we to trust we would be getting a functioning product given who is in charge right now? I feel like they just robbed Canadian taxpayers some billions of dollars just on the F35 deal alone.

I worry about this too. Even before before the election they scared the bejeezus out of me with their millions of lines of code.

[direwolf]

Just read that Trudeau is on his way to a European defence summit in London tomorrow. Zelensky will be in attendance as well.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

From what I’ve read, it would be extremely difficult for Canada to join the EU. One of the criteria is the country has to be European. Since Canada isn’t geographically in Europe, it would have to make an argument that Canada is culturally European - which would obviously open a whole can of worms. And even if all the barriers were overcome, you’re looking at a 10+ year process.

Also watching Brexit happen, I think would give one pause.