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Old 01-14-2019, 11:50 AM   #6941
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An interesting buyer this season will be Colorado.

They have a ton of picks ( two 1sts), a ton of cap 33M before the cap does up, (granted they have to sign Ratanan and Varlamov).

They are in a playoff spot, despite poor depth and play as of late.

They are in the right position to bring some players in and then pay them in the off season. Gotta wonder if they have the all clear from management to spend to the cap, if they do I could see them bringing in some of the big names.
They have a ton of cap space because they are an internal budget team.

It would really surprise me if they were big buyers instead of perhaps selling guys like varlomov and then waiting for free agency/draft to improve their lineup.

I think this season is a surprise for them.
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Peters seems pretty comfortable with it this season.
The non-rookie option is hurt and the Flames have been rumored to be looking to shore up their 3rd pairing D... I'd less say "he seems pretty comfortable with it" and more that he's accepted it out of necessity and lack of options.
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:55 AM   #6943
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Some posters don't want to hear it, but we're all living through the cautionary tale of LA, Chicago, Anaheim.
Hard to preach cautionary tale when there are six cups between those teams in the last 12 years. People were also preaching cautionary tales to the Penguins and Washington (cap issues, don't hold onto older players) until Pittsburg one two more and the Caps got it last year.

The only true listing to your tale might be the Ducks, as they kept hanging on and bringing in over prices vets, but the rest? No. If I was a fan of Chicago I wouldn't be crying in my beer too much. Winning three cups is a hell of a caution.
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They have a ton of cap space because they are an internal budget team.

It would really surprise me if they were big buyers instead of perhaps selling guys like varlomov and then waiting for free agency/draft to improve their lineup.

I think this season is a surprise for them.
It would be very interesting to be a fly on the wall during conversations between Sakic and Kroenke. Colarado is at a bit of a cross roads. They have some serious talent, but not enough depth, how they go about solving this problem will be a case study for future teams in similar positions.

I disagree that it is a surprise, it is likely they weren't expecting such a crazy good start, but after making the playoffs last year, they likely expect to make them every year from hear on out. The question now is when do they pull the trigger and push their chips in?
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The non-rookie option is hurt and the Flames have been rumored to be looking to shore up their 3rd pairing D... I'd less say "he seems pretty comfortable with it" and more that he's accepted it out of necessity and lack of options.
The non rookies option was riding the pine for 10 games as a healthy scratch before the blood clot.

Between the start of the season and his injury report on the 21st of November, stone had played less games than Czarnik. The only players he was playing more than we're prout and peluso.

11 of a possible 21 games.
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:07 PM   #6946
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If you throw out tkachuk-schenn-bennett you can get benny to take the draws.
That would be a nasty line to play against, love it!
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:11 PM   #6947
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Some posters don't want to hear it, but we're all living through the cautionary tale of LA, Chicago, Anaheim.
We can only hope that we are living through some cup years followed by the inevitable price of paying for declining production.

At some stage, you'll need to sign some veteran producers to contracts you won't like at the end of their careers. Or risk perhaps punting a Stanley Cup.

If Calgary comes close to winning a cup in the next two years but hen wins one in the third year, do you let Monny and Jonhny go (and basically give up another cup or 2) or sign them to contracts which will eventually stink?

Trade them before their last years you say? Well then you might have given up your only cup.

The only cautionary tale I see is to go for it when you have the chance and don't worry about the future that much. If you are always playing for the future, you'll likely never have a present.
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:36 PM   #6948
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Maybe Mark Stone would like to go to Ottawa along with other assets to reunite with his brother.

In fairness, we need a player back who is brothers with a Flame.
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:45 PM   #6949
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Maybe Mark Stone would like to go to Ottawa along with other assets to reunite with his brother.

In fairness, we need a player back who is brothers with a Flame.
Ottawa is one of the few teams I can see where Michael Stone may have value: they need defense and want to sign his brother.

Perfect destination imo.
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In fairness, we need a player back who is brothers with a Flame.
Speaking of Brady, how's he doing, anyway? I don't really follow much outside Alberta and standings, but I would like to know what kind of player he's turning in to.
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Speaking of Brady, how's he doing, anyway? I don't really follow much outside Alberta and standings, but I would like to know what kind of player he's turning in to.
He’s been outstanding. Like Matthew he knows the NHL game and all of his skills translate well


I think the Sens SHOULD want Stone, but I just don’t think Melnyk will want to pay 3.5 mil even if the player checks a bunch of boxes for his team. With a sane owner in place I think a deal could be done
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Speaking of Brady, how's he doing, anyway? I don't really follow much outside Alberta and standings, but I would like to know what kind of player he's turning in to.
He is Matthew part II
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Maybe Mark Stone would like to go to Ottawa along with other assets to reunite with his brother.

In fairness, we need a player back who is brothers with a Flame.
This is probably not enough but feels like a rental trade.

Stone, Mangiapane, 1st for Duchene

Serviceable NHL Dman, fringe 22 year old forward who can probably play, and a late 1st for 2 months of Duchene who could center a line of Bennett and Neal or Tkachuk and Neal leaving Backlund and Frolik to play with Bennett or Tkachuk?

In a buyers market that deal makes sense to me
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This is probably not enough but feels like a rental trade.

Stone, Mangiapane, 1st for Duchene

Serviceable NHL Dman, fringe 22 year old forward who can probably play, and a late 1st for 2 months of Duchene who could center a line of Bennett and Neal or Tkachuk and Neal leaving Backlund and Frolik to play with Bennett or Tkachuk?

In a buyers market that deal makes sense to me
And then work your butt off getting him extended.

At that point the Flames would be set up to take a legit run at a Cup for the next 3 seasons.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:28 PM   #6955
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No idea what the Sens would move Duchene for, but considering what they gave up for him asset wise and the beating they took to do so from a media/fan perspective I just can't see them giving Duchene away for a 3rd pair D, AHL tweener and what probably amounts to a high 2nd round pick.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:28 PM   #6956
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This is probably not enough but feels like a rental trade.

Stone, Mangiapane, 1st for Duchene

Serviceable NHL Dman, fringe 22 year old forward who can probably play, and a late 1st for 2 months of Duchene who could center a line of Bennett and Neal or Tkachuk and Neal leaving Backlund and Frolik to play with Bennett or Tkachuk?

In a buyers market that deal makes sense to me
Would we have room to resign him? I hope they’re not interested in a pure rental for that price.
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And then work your butt off getting him extended.

At that point the Flames would be set up to take a legit run at a Cup for the next 3 seasons.
Duchene is going to be looking for a ~$70 million dollar, super secure contract

If he comes here it is as a pure rental (which I am not remotely opposed to if the price is right).


I see him as the Habs #1 center next season
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Would we have room to resign him? I hope they’re not interested in a pure rental for that price.
I don’t see this being anything other than a pure rental. I just do not see the money there to re-sign him
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And then work your butt off getting him extended.

At that point the Flames would be set up to take a legit run at a Cup for the next 3 seasons.
I don’t see that as a possibility he would be gone come the summer.
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This is probably not enough but feels like a rental trade.

Stone, Mangiapane, 1st for Duchene

Serviceable NHL Dman, fringe 22 year old forward who can probably play, and a late 1st for 2 months of Duchene who could center a line of Bennett and Neal or Tkachuk and Neal leaving Backlund and Frolik to play with Bennett or Tkachuk?

In a buyers market that deal makes sense to me
It may be a buyers markets, but there will be many teams looking to buy Duchene. Premium players are always at a premium, as long as there are at least 2 teams bidding for him, and there will be way more than 2.

Someone would top that offer quite easily.
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